I quite see where you are coming from Mary...You know the only folks who benefit when a hobby or skill set is listed/ certificated and regulated ?
The ones who administer the certification.
There is no need for any sub forums to pactice firelighting, shelterbuilding, navigation or campfire cooking, just add a thread in the relevant forum.
Or is that not 'special' enough ?
In an over paper qualificationed world bushcraft is a refreshing breath of fresh air, without overweaning 'better thans'.
A friend gave an very pertinant analogy on another forum; he said that now there are deerstalking certificates, and that almost without exception the enthusiasts are recreational stalkers with very little practical experience. They are now in the situation where stalkers of over forty years experience are being 'assessed' by paper-qualified individuals of very limited experience.
Ah but, there's money to be made from administering courses when your reputation isn't good enough to make a living from students or the job.
No, I don't want to see this set up become the norm, and comparing a woodlore course, with it's hands on personal experience, to an on line tick box is hardly a resonable comparison......or would you let someone pass your BCU courses sitting in a boat in their bathtub and taking short videos of their strokes, John ?
Off to spend the day spinning and dyeing in public......and the old ladies who taught me would be birling in their graves at the thought that this skillset might become 'certificated' too.
But some eejit will try it sooner or later
I'll be looking in the same light I always have done. It's not the achievement, it's the need to establish status.I will never look at someone wearing a Woodlore badge in the same light ever again!
Depends on the badge John. If it's the VC, then no, obviously. If it's a bushcraft badge earned off an internet forum, then yes, they probably are. Sorry.Wow!
All badge wearers are chest-puffin nob clowns?
Well, if the badge fits.Who-ed a thought it!
Puts Baden Powel in his place for sure!
That's betterSorry that sounded wrong, and not how I meant it at all
Any more input from the Mod, Members, Admins?
Show to who? For what purpose? Surely, if they have completed them, they know they have completed them? They dont need a certificate to remind themselves, ...unless they are completely bereft of a memory - but they could just jot it down and stick it on the fridge with a magnet if early onset Alzheimer's was an issue. It's like showing your passport when you go for a pint, just to prove to yourself you are old enough to drink it.As for the certificate, I think most participating understand it as nothing more than something showing they have completed all of the lessons and outings.
I take your point and I agree, why not. But i wonder at the value of an outdoor pursuit and set of practical skills being taught via a laptop. Sounds a bit like chainsaw certification via email. I'm not sure there is much more benefit than watching some youtube videos and then getting a certificate to show to your mum, to prove you've watched the whole series and now you're a bushcraft expert. Seriously, what value do they have, aside from forum bragging rights?As for the Bushclass lessons.....
That's kind of how I look at it. I participate on BCUSA but haven't done the bushclass but it is very popular over there and lots of people are having fun with it. The guy administrating it, Terry Barney, is a very experienced instructor who has very graciously volunteered to run it. It is good in the sense that people are motivated to develop skills in areas they they may not naturally gravitate to. It is very easy to do the majority of our bushcrafting online and not get out or get our blades dull. Bushcraft is a hand's-on activity and it is good to see people doing more with it.So... what's wrong with those who want to do the course doing it on BCUSA? Is it really necessary to do another one here, or is that just a case of "they have one so we should too"?
I think you are putting too much into the "certification" part of the certificate. It is nothing more than saying you finished the lessons & outings, nothing else. That and fifty cents might get you a pot to p*ss in. Nowhere, other than with a few members of that forum, will it show that you have completed the lessons. It is simply for fun and possibly forum bragging rights.Show to who? For what purpose? Surely, if they have completed them, they know they have completed them? They dont need a certificate to remind themselves, ...unless they are completely bereft of a memory - but they could just jot it down and stick it on the fridge with a magnet if early onset Alzheimer's was an issue. It's like showing your passport when you go for a pint, just to prove to yourself you are old enough to drink it.
Friend, as I am showing gray in my hair, lots have changed since I left uni and the educators are constantly telling me that learning methods have changed and how individuals learn is evolving. With that said, here in the States, you can earn Bachelors and Masters degrees without ever stepping foot on a "real live" campus. My barber told me that his daughter dropped out of uni because she was not being challenged by her traditional university education and has completed her Master of Science in Mathematics online (it is accredited by the very same organization that accredits the "bricks and mortar" part of the very same university). I can do one better than the online chainsaw certification! I am a volunteer Hunter Ed instructor for Virginia. Due to the new "trend" in online education, in part by the educators themselves, I have had to recieve training in how to administer the final exam, to candidates that have had all of their Hunter Education training online. The Virginia General Assembly has authorized, by law, that online "distance learning" will meet the State's Hunter Education requirements. For these candidates we do an "in person" firearms handling assessment, in addition to the normal written exam.I take your point and I agree, why not. But i wonder at the value of an outdoor pursuit and set of practical skills being taught via a laptop. Sounds a bit like chainsaw certification via email. I'm not sure there is much more benefit than watching some youtube videos and then getting a certificate to show to your mum, to prove you've watched the whole series and now you're a bushcraft expert.
Your last sentence is all I see in it, Not any way of certification for a qual, no need for badges, not defining Bushcraft, just funAye, maybe I'm being too reactionary, but something that is essentially a simple outdoor hobby, for me requires no tests or certification. I learn what I want, practice what I want and take from it as much or as little as I want. I have enough certificates to complete IRL. But I can see the fun value in the courses and I suppose it is a motivator.
That's the irony. You have to have one if your job requires you to work with a chainsaw. Health & Safety, insurance and all that. A lot of proper dealers wont sell you a Husky or Stihl without a cert either, though you can buy em from ebay or the cheap Chinese ones from the local garden centre. It's daft really.LOL. A chainsaw certificate? Martyn I was a logger in my mid teens and some of my family still log. No one would ever believe that such a thing as a chainsaw certificate actually exists.