Advice for 16 year old buying a lock knife?

[Tengu]

Yes, well, unfortunatley we live in an age in which its easy for a boy to get a crimminal record; and that can cause him trouble years down the line...

...He might get drunk and do something stupid...

...He might get drunk and do something stupid with (an equally drunk) girl...

(Notice its never her fault...and our so called morality laws are not interested in HER antics...)

He might get in trouble for hanging round with the wrong crowd (even though he did nothing himself).

I myself could tell you some horror stories...I imagine you can too.

Im glad Im not the mother of a boy.

 

[Toddy]

Thank you for the support and words of encouragement

My sons learned from a very young age ,first penknives 6 or 7 , making bows etc moved into axes ,fixed bales etc spoon carving and the like ,youngest is now 17 middle 19 oldest 25 all very responsible knife carriers, now when and where and all now correct use .its not the knife that's dangerous it's the owner .as you say it's our job to educate the new generation to behave responsibly in all aspects of life not just cutting tools .

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I agree, and my sons were similarly 'educated', but the reality is that it's not sons like ours that are generally the problem, but they can all too easily become embroiled in the problem simply because they do have a knife in their pocket, because of the actions of others.

It's a society problem, and though I think it's unfortunate, and somewhat of an own goal, society's answer is to try to ban all knives rather than teaching that responsibly used they're very, very useful tools.

 

[Allison McKenzie]

(Notice its never her fault...and our so called morality laws are not interested in HER antics...)

Gosh, is that really true?

 

[Broch]

Mmm... but I suspect I was a responsible, thoughtful, butter couldn't melt in my mouth sixteen year old in my parents' eyes as well. They didn't know half of what we got up to in reality.

 

[Corso]

He is concerned with the safety of a slip joint knife and therefore not so keen on the ukpk.

Personally it's all I carry and with the right techniques and concentration perfectly safe

but I would argue towards a SAK or more tradititonal style knife

Spyderco's look cool but I've always found the handles uncomfortable with prolonged use

 

[santaman2000]

@ Toddy and C_Claycomb: Yeah, storekeepers and others here can be leery of various things as well for similar reasons. bottom you infer (that while something may be lega as such there could still be repercussions—-in our case here those might likely be a civil lawsuit)

 

[Nice65]

There was a motto on BB (British Blades) that BB really stood for Buy Both.

If I didn’t have the Para2 I’d definitely have the Para3. I might even yet, it’s a knife I covet. A UKPK for the every day stuff, a Para3 for more brutish activities. The law works surprisingly well, if he has a need to carry the Para3, that’s good enough. If he doesn’t, then he shouldn’t be carrying it.

Just for interest here’s a pic of the Benchmade Griptilian in G10 and the Para2 with some custom scales. Of the two, the Grip is much more comfortable in hand. It’s one of the things that’s kept the Griptilians constantly in production. I have a closed plastic handled version that became a favourite hard use working knife, the axis lock is as solid a lock as you’re going to get. Notice though, the thicker blade stock of the Para3, they will also take a beating but the handle is quite thin for prolonged use, as Corso mentioned.






One other thing. Experience has shown me that losing either of these pricy knives is painful. On my working knives I fit a blaze orange paracord lanyard. Pocket clips have a habit of snagging on clothing, brash, bramble etc, it’s very easy to suddenly find it gone. Theres a lot to be said for a beater type knife, the Spyderco Tenacious served me well, and though I never lost it, I wouldn’t have cried for long before just buying another. I can’t say that for either of the two above, both are in £200 territory.

 

[The puffin squire]

Yes, well, unfortunatley we live in an age in which its easy for a boy to get a crimminal record; and that can cause him trouble years down the line...

...He might get drunk and do something stupid...

...He might get drunk and do something stupid with (an equally drunk) girl...

(Notice its never her fault...and our so called morality laws are not interested in HER antics...)

He might get in trouble for hanging round with the wrong crowd (even though he did nothing himself).

I myself could tell you some horror stories...I imagine you can too.

Im glad Im not the mother of a boy.

It all comes down to education ,my sons would never carry a knife unless off to the woods or fishing .

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[The puffin squire]

It all comes down to education ,my sons would never carry a knife unless off to the woods or fishing .

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I will add ,we are fortunate enough to live in a small village in the Kent countryside

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[Corso]

It all comes down to education ,my sons would never carry a knife unless off to the woods or fishing .

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why?

a folding penknife witha <3" cutting edge is pefectly legal to carry anywhere

 

[Nice65]

why?

a folding penknife witha <3" cutting edge is pefectly legal to carry anywhere

Doesn’t make it obligatory. Most people don’t carry a knife.

 

[santaman2000]

Doesn’t make it obligatory. Most people don’t carry a knife.

Depends. I know very few males over 8 years old who don’t. And very few adult women who don’t. Wearing socks isn’t obligatory either, yet most people do.

 

[Stew]

Depends. I know very few males over 8 years old who don’t. And very few adult women who don’t. Wearing socks isn’t obligatory either, yet most people do.

UK or US?

 

[santaman2000]

UK or US?

Both here in the US and back when I was in the UK.

 

[Stew]

Both here in the US and back when I was in the UK.

So the US comparison isn’t relevant then.

How long since you lived in the UK?

 

[Broch]

Depends. I know very few males over 8 years old who don’t. And very few adult women who don’t. Wearing socks isn’t obligatory either, yet most people do.

To be honest Santaman when in company and a penknife is needed I am usually the only one with one. I would estimate only 10%, if that, in the UK carry a knife of any kind.

 

[Corso]

Doesn’t make it obligatory. Most people don’t carry a knife.

I was questioning the would never unless sentiment

on carrying a perfectly legal everyday tool, my father, grandfather and his father before him carrried every day

to me its like saying I would never carry an umbrella unless it was raining

 

[Nice65]

Depends. I know very few males over 8 years old who don’t. And very few adult women who don’t.

Not here you don’t. You‘re American and commenting on a thread about UK knife carry. Your situation is totally irrelevant.

 

[Fadcode]

citation please? As far as I can find its only illegal to sell a knife (unless it has a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less) to someone under 18?

Again this referred to the thread title , which was a non-legal knife, now I know the title has been changed, but as it would be illegal for a 16 y.o. to buy a "lock Knife", then that knife if bought could be seen as a illegal knife,, if someone over 18 bought the knife knowing it is was for someone who could not legally buy it themselves, then that could be construed as being an illegal act, depending on the circumstances,.....swap knife for alcohol.

Now it is not against the Law for a person under 18 to actually own a knife whether it is fixed or not, and even if it has a blade beyond the 3 inches, as long as the knife is not an "illegal knife" as listed in the statutes.
It must always be remembered that a "reasonable cause" to carry a knife, would depend on the circumstances at the time you were stopped by the Plod, and if you could not convince them, then you are liable to arrest, and any youth carrying any knife legal or not, in these times would struggle to convince a Policeman he had good cause, again depending on the circumstances, if a Policeman came across a youth at a campsite cooking his breakfast and using a fixed blade to help him, I am sure he would be OK, again the circumstances would determine the outcome.and of course the demeanour of the youth.
It must be remembered we live in draconian times regarding knives, take no chances.
(these are my opinions)

 

[Corso]

Again this referred to the thread title , which was a non-legal knife, now I know the title has been changed, but as it would be illegal for a 16 y.o. to buy a "lock Knife", then that knife if bought could be seen as a illegal knife,, if someone over 18 bought the knife knowing it is was for someone who could not legally buy it themselves, then that could be construed as being an illegal act, depending on the circumstances,.....swap knife for alcohol.

Now it is not against the Law for a person under 18 to actually own a knife whether it is fixed or not, and even if it has a blade beyond the 3 inches, as long as the knife is not an "illegal knife" as listed in the statutes.
It must always be remembered that a "reasonable cause" to carry a knife, would depend on the circumstances at the time you were stopped by the Plod, and if you could not convince them, then you are liable to arrest, and any youth carrying any knife legal or not, in these times would struggle to convince a Policeman he had good cause, again depending on the circumstances, if a Policeman came across a youth at a campsite cooking his breakfast and using a fixed blade to help him, I am sure he would be OK, again the circumstances would determine the outcome.and of course the demeanour of the youth.
It must be remembered we live in draconian times regarding knives, take no chances.
(these are my opinions)

Sharing you opinion is all very well but when its legally wong it offers no help

you can't 'just swap' knife with Alcohol becasue its suits you. The Licensing Act 2003 specifically states

• It is illegal for a person under 18 years to buy or attempt to buy alcohol or to consume alcohol in a licensed premises.

And yet you have failed to find the legislation that backs your statement that it is illegal to gift a knife to somone who is under 18

I'm sure people on here would like to know especially those with kids that they might want to gift their first bushcraft knife at someone point...