A silly man?
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Maybe he hadn't roughed up the back of his kukri? The rod is softer than the blade metal (has to be or no sparks) and don't really do any great harm in the scheme of things. I may be wrong but Ray Mears used his knife blade in one episode IIRC?
I wonder if there will be a media backlash against survival programmes after this? Who will sue Les Stroud first "I cut my finger after reading your book" etc.
Some pretty harsh comments. The poor guy probably got wet and died of hypothermia. Or perhaps he didn't get wet, but still died of hypothermia. Usually when things like this happen you can find a chain of events that lead up to the bad outcome. Seldom just one event. If he got wet and for what ever reason couldn't build a fire, he was doomed. He could have been a very bright guy who just had an empty Bic and some damp matches, and didn't realize it, until it was too late.
Unless we have all of the facts I think we owe it to this guy to cut him some slack.
Unless we have all of the facts I think we owe it to this guy to cut him some slack.
Come on guys. First of all they still don't know the cause of death! You could be carrying 30Kg on your back of survival gear and come a cropper because it overbalances you!
Like John, I've taken some exciting risks and I would like to think that I've always come out because of good planning etc. - in absolute honesty though, I've had some luck sometimes as well. But they're the experiences I look back on with a thrill and the ones I really value.
Cheers,
Broch
Like John, I've taken some exciting risks and I would like to think that I've always come out because of good planning etc. - in absolute honesty though, I've had some luck sometimes as well. But they're the experiences I look back on with a thrill and the ones I really value.
Cheers,
Broch
If he couldn't build a fire when it was wet then he was out of his depth, which makes him going out there stupid. If his lighter was empty, same reason.
Either way, he wasnt prepared for the environment. Making his decision to go a stupid one.
If he went out there to survive for fun and didn't, what other conlusion can you come to?
Quite a few Scandanavians use the tip of their blade on a firesteel, just the way they use it. When I asked the expert teaching me why, he said, well I can always resharpen the blade, and I need a fire now.
Maybe they are not so preoccupied with their knives as we are.
i think the comments are harsh, imagine one of us died in the woods how would it be portrayed in the uk media.
the small ruck sack being a sabre 45, a bivvy and a sigg water bottle (knowing that the snow was very drinkable), SFA and mora.
define harsh weather here first sign of snow and the country grinds to a halt, and hundreds rush to the ski slopes to risk breaking limbs are they mental for wanting to enjoy the extreme weather in that fashion?
Maybe he was unprepared but a guy that can do rope work with bark in his back yard sounds quite well skilled. like i say its easy to judge others as we are often judged im sure im not the only one who gets a funny look when i reply to the question "what you doing this weekend?" - "oh im off out into the woods to camp"
the small ruck sack being a sabre 45, a bivvy and a sigg water bottle (knowing that the snow was very drinkable), SFA and mora.
define harsh weather here first sign of snow and the country grinds to a halt, and hundreds rush to the ski slopes to risk breaking limbs are they mental for wanting to enjoy the extreme weather in that fashion?
Maybe he was unprepared but a guy that can do rope work with bark in his back yard sounds quite well skilled. like i say its easy to judge others as we are often judged im sure im not the only one who gets a funny look when i reply to the question "what you doing this weekend?" - "oh im off out into the woods to camp"
There is a massive difference in doing rope work in your garden and trying the same thing in sub zero temperatures with cold and maybe numb fingers?
I feel very sorry for the loved ones and family he left behind
I feel very sorry for the loved ones and family he left behind
im not saying that being able to make rope in sub zero is useful but rather its about the only piece of character information about the guy that's relevant, it tells me he has patience and the ability to learn, and that if he has time to do that he has "probably" spent time learning and mastering other more basic skills such as fire, water & shelter.
i have a driving licence and can drive a car, i think i have mastered driving, i bet you do to, does that mean tomorrow if i goto work and i get killed in my car that i was not a skilled driver?
people are assuming because he is dead he was unskilled,
nobody thinks the athlete killed at the winter Olympics died because they where unskilled, as we already know that to get to the olympics you have to be very skilled and at the top of your game,
so why then with so little info in this scenario are so many prepared to jump on the bandwagon...
No because an accident like that may not be your fault. There were other drivers on the road.
He was alone, the fault was no ones but his. You are comparing totally different situations mate. The only person responsible for his survival was him, if he was skilled he wouldnt have died.
Build shelter light fire, live.
He didnt.
This is a typical case of out of his depth, the very fact that he died makes this true, nothing you, i or anyone else can say will change that.
If he had mastered firelighting, he would have lit a fire and lived.
If he had mastered shelter building then he will have built a shelter, but may still have died without the fire.
Either way, he wasnt upto the task.
It could be that he fell and died or injured himself, in that case fair enough, his chances wont have been good, but nothing indicates this and hypothermia being the biggest suspect. If it was Hypothermia then HE made a mess of it somewhere.
Hillbill, assuming you have mastered firemaking and shelter building, does this mean there is zero chance of you getting hypothermia when you go out in the cold? If you think so then it is you that is over estimating your abilities.
Never had a problem getting a good shower of sparks from the spine of a blade
Preoccupied? Nay - passionate!
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