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kieran-

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Apr 10, 2010
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I noticed this thread and found something I read a while back, about surviving / living homeless in a city

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I thought it was pretty interesting reading, its a summary of various tips someone put together through what was probably a long time being homeless. He heavily recommends having a car, even if it doesnt work, as a kind of base for sleeping and storing everything. There are lots of tips on how to appear presentable, and even hold down a normalish job despite being homeless in the conventional sense.

Its not quite the gritty urban survival as OP was suggesting, its more about actually living that way and thriving for extended periods of time. Quite humbling I thought.
 

pango

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I have posted this question on the 'Trueways' forum with some good results.

Now it's your turn.

Here's the challenge...

How would you manage or more to the point sustain yourself in the big bad city using only survival skills???

No money, no fixed abode, no phone (tough one), no friends......

Your thoughts?

Kind of brings to mind various Tory MP's and members of the aristocracy roughing it for a month in a council house while on the same income as those on benefits to show how it's done... and then going back to their town house and various directorships and throwing a cocktail party to celebrate having shown the ropes to those not so fortunate!
 
Jun 13, 2010
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im 37 worked on a building site since i was 14 and consequently now can barely walk with lower back and hip issues added to that i had two heart attacks last Christmas and ive never got nothing off know one maybe because there's no money left in the kitty for me. I will soon be completely unable to walk and more than likely die before i reach 60. Hard work never killed anyone hay, no but being working class did.
 

Oblio13

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im 37 worked on a building site since i was 14 and consequently now can barely walk with lower back and hip issues added to that i had two heart attacks last Christmas and ive never got nothing off know one maybe because there's no money left in the kitty for me. I will soon be completely unable to walk and more than likely die before i reach 60. Hard work never killed anyone hay, no but being working class did.

What specifically did you do? Curious because usually hard work makes people healthy; it's poor diets and life style choices like smoking that seem to cause the problems.
 

pango

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Oblio13,
At the risk of seeming argumentative, I have to disagree with your above comments, mate.
With regard to "usually hard work makes people healthy", my father worked on the coal face all his days... well, at least until his back was broken in a roof fall. He took a drink at New Year and the odd special occasion but his social life was his family. He liked his cigarettes but it was pneumoconiosis that killed him after enjoying 4 years of his "early retirement". My mother would have something to say about the "poor diet" remark. His, and many, many other's, "life style" choices were and are limited by what puts bread and meat on the table.

I have 3 mates, all ex-Paras, who can hardly walk due to back and joint problems and another, an ex-Head of high school PE Dept., never smoked in his life but is a wine lover, who is waiting for hip and knee replacements. They're all 55 years old and all of the belief that their training and work caused irreparable damage. I worked in the oilfields and while I enjoyed substantial earnings and the freedom of 6 months of the year holidays to facilitate my mountaineering, the pay back comes in the form of painkillers to off-set the aches and pains from work and sports injuries... the ones that didn't hurt much at the time!

Anyone who says hard work never harmed anyone has either never done any or doesn't know any better!
 
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Oblio13

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My experience has been just the opposite. I'm 53 now. I spent 20 years in the Marines, and participated for years in some rugged sports as well. I feel great. It seems to me that most health problems in people our age and younger come from being overweight, smoking, eating poorly, and not getting enough exercise. There are bad-luck exceptions to any general rule, of course, but I'll go so far as to say that most health problems in young and middle-aged people are self-induced.
 

superc0ntra

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Urban survival would mostly be a matter of "Hey buddy, can you spare some change?" and finding other ways to raise some cash for food.
In this case this guy:
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has more to teach than this guy:
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pango

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I can't say I disagree with much of what you're saying there, Oblio13.

I returned to my home town around 6 years ago now and when I look around myself here, at some of my old school-friends, I'm just thankful that I went off to sea at 16.

Other than that, what I wrote following might be deemed by some as being un-PC and we have kind of strayed off-thread somewhat, so I'll see if I can send a personal mail.

Cheers.
 

Large Sack

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May 24, 2010
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Agree with Bushwhacker...we moved to Dorset from the Thames Valley 11 years ago...a phenomenal difference in the way people react to one another in all sorts of social/anti-social situations.

OK we're 11 years further down the line but I still have cause to visit the Thames valley regularly (mother still resides up there) and people are still far more insular and protective of their immediate environment.

We don't live in the boondocks down here either (Weymouth) but there is still a very noticeable difference in civility. Perhaps it's because most of the social issues affecting the larger towns/cities are not as exacerbated down here yet(may well come to pass though :().

And it's true what Bushwhacker says about the cider...anyone who thinks they can escape lightly after quaffing some of the radioactive looking bright orange stuff that I see going down the hatches is not thinking straight :)...(personally it's Ringwood 49er for me)
 

Large Sack

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May 24, 2010
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Another thing, has anyone yet mentioned adding a family into the equation?

it's one thing to be responsible for just one's self...but add a wife and three kids into the situation and we have a complete breakdown of morality.
 

Rumi

Forager
Great question..

Some good reading too..

I have spent the last 2 years developing BC skills for city living so here are some hard things to think about. Anyone sleeping out in a city is vulnerable to a number of things, the main one is being robbed. Most cities have an "underbelly" which is pretty dark to say the least so your skills at ensuring your hideout is hidden are your biggest test. You need to travel light, easy in summer but not in winter. Food is relatively easy to get as we live in a wasteful society, there are restaurant bins, supermarket skips and other skips with plenty of food (beware of compactor skips) it's even possible to get out of date medical dressings if you know where to go.

There is always plenty of firewood, but once again if your going to have a fire you might attract people you don't want around your fire, especially if you intend to sleep next to it. Having fires in locked public parks is especially difficult as it may attract the police and then your troubles begin.

Clean water is one of the easiest things to find in a city, at public toilets and as long as you are presentable from toilets in cafes and pubs.

One of the most important things I would recommend for any budding urban survivor would be to be able to adequately defend themselves confidently and by this I mean some form of formal self defense training which includes defense against knife attack, clubs, sticks or bottles.

To be honest the safest and best way to survive the urban environment is to do so on the edge of a city making excursions into the city for necessity but not relying on the city for your shelter and removing the need to have a fire in the city. With cities like London this is hard, but with smaller more compact cities this is possible.

As a lone agent this is not hard, doing it with others, especially a family the obstacles are far greater.

As a final note.. I work in a homeless shelter, a large number though not all homeless people have multiple issues/needs aggravated by mental illness and/or alcohol/substance addictions, on the whole they have a hard time and are on the receiving end of a lot of discrimination for one reason or another, they are vulnerable to exploitation. Some are aggressive, many lead very chaotic lifestyles and see no way out. A few have even done some hard time in the armed services and are maladjusted to civilian life and haunted by their past. The streets are pretty mean, and there is a definate pecking order among the homeless with the stronger praying on the weaker. As a practitioner of BC you should not even feature in that pecking order, but its only a matter of time before the less strong get sucked in. This is where the subtlest skill of all is really put to the test and that is your urban camouflage. Living on the streets without being seen to be doing so. That is the greatest challenge.
 

StigOfTheDump

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Jan 26, 2007
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Living on the streets without being seen to be doing so.

Absolutly, my first experience of being homeless and rough sleeping i was 15 and i desperatly wanted not to end up in the hands of social services.

I lived as a homeless person in London for 21 years, but most of that time was spent in a very large number of squats, in the early days i slept out but as soon as i met a few hippies who turned me onto squatting i got myself a derelict and set about making myself cosy, i built a cardboard room within my room, more of a very large sleeping box. Its amazing how cosy you can be inside a large cardboard box.

So its a non argument really, there is no reason to sleep rough in a city, as any sensible homeless person will squat.
 

RAPPLEBY2000

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Dec 2, 2003
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I was about to do a collect items and make use of them sort of excersise a year back.
I went to an area I knew would have a fair bit of trash...and noticed alot of glass, needles....not fun.
 

Tengu

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Jan 10, 2006
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Its amazing the empty properties in London.

Ive seen houses empty that would be snapped up in an instant here.
 

rik_uk3

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Jun 10, 2006
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What specifically did you do? Curious because usually hard work makes people healthy; it's poor diets and life style choices like smoking that seem to cause the problems.

:lmao::lmao::lmao: Whats the food like on your planet chap?

Poor diet, smoking and alcohol can be bad for you but so can hard graft mate. Look at people like Police Officers, Nurses, Miners, supermarket workers who have spent most of their working life on their feet and you will see thousands of folk with back and knee problems for sure. I've only worked in three sectors, retail management, pub management and then nursing, my knee's are shot to bits, my back is too and I have Sciatic nerve damage all caused by standing up hour after hour at work and having silly hobbies like climbing, hill walking and Karate, I've simply worn out bits of my body (my liver is just dandy before you ask although the fags hurt my lungs to be honest). A lot of joggers from the 70s and 80's are now suffering impact damage to the knees and hips as are weight lifters etc.

I did an advanced minimal handling course in 2005, the instructor said 'how many of you have been in nursing or manual work for more than 15 years?' Hands went up, her reply was 'then you all have physical damage to your spine due to poor lifting practise'; think on that sir. Hard work is not always good for you by any stretch of the imagination but thankfully awareness is improving and working conditions and practises also, about blooming time.
 

tomongoose

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Oct 11, 2010
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If I had to survive I think I would have to break the law I wouldn't want to stay in the city I would be to scared to sleep at night I would head out to the country side and move from village to village, I would raid allotments and gardens at night, steal chicken and rabbits etc if you had a bicycle and a small tent you could take a little here and there and move on before anyone noticed.
 
Nov 29, 2004
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"...head out to the country side and move from village to village...I would raid allotments and gardens at night, steal chicken and rabbits etc....you could take a little here and there and move on before anyone noticed..."

Oh you would be noticed.:viking:
 
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