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Corso

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You got to love the law abiding citizen fretting about laws designed to keep them safe.....
 

Corso

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Why fret? You had good reason,

There's no point 'fighting for your rights' be polite and do as your told.

Who knows as long as you arn't breaking the law you could be quids in ;)
 
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Wayland

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Unless I get stopped on my way to a school and arrested.

I am then late to the school, the kids are disappointed, the booking probably lost and I'm out of pocket just because someone didn't know their job.

If carrying a bit of card might help then I am willing to give it a try.

For some people this is just a matter of slight inconvenience, for others it is of some importance.
 

durulz

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Fighting for your right to uphold your livelihood (in the manner that Wayland found himself in) is one thing - I think we would all support and condone that.
Fighting for your right to walk into a pub (or anywhere else) with a sodding SAK is another...
If you need it, then carry it. The law already protects you and is fine as it is.

I realise that a lot of UK bushcrafters still like to think they are living in the 18th century (and it's that sense of role-playing and make believe that I enjoy as well) and that at any moment they will be in a life-threatening situation somewhere in the wilderness inside the M25, but the truth is that very few people living in 21st century Britain (notice I said 'very few', not 'no one' before anyone goes to tedious length to point out how they need a knife on a regular basis) need to carry a knife all day every day. I get the feelng most just want to carry a knife to authenticate their lives as an 18th century explorer rather than any genuine need...
 

durulz

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You know what, I live in an area surrounded by farms.
In all my time I have never seen a farmer or farm-worker walk into a pub at lunchtime or evening with a knife on their belt.
If they can manage to go without a knife 24hrs a day then I'm sure some office worker calling himself a 'bushcrafter' can manage it as well.
Or is being a senior IT technician, officer clerk, or storesman more 'knife intensive'?
Some of you (again, some of you) sound more like wannabes.
 

markie*mark0

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You know what, I live in an area surrounded by farms.
In all my time I have never seen a farmer or farm-worker walk into a pub at lunchtime or evening with a knife on their belt.
If they can manage to go without a knife 24hrs a day then I'm sure some office worker calling himself a 'bushcrafter' can manage it as well.
Or is being a senior IT technician, officer clerk, or storesman more 'knife intensive'?
Some of you (again, some of you) sound more like wannabes.

What is the harm if someone wants (aka wannabe) to carry a SAK, on the off chance they get to use it?
 

shaggystu

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You know what, I live in an area surrounded by farms.
me too
In all my time I have never seen a farmer or farm-worker walk into a pub at lunchtime or evening with a knife on their belt.
neither have i
If they can manage to go without a knife 24hrs a day then I'm sure some office worker calling himself a 'bushcrafter' can manage it as well.
i did, however, grow up on a farm and every single bloke who worked on that farm had a knife in his pocket.

i carry a tiny little knife in my pocket, it's got two blades, the longest of which is about 1.5", it gets taken out with my keys, change, lighter etc. whenever i'm searching for change and laid on the bar/counter of the pub/shop/whatever i happen to be in at the time. the only people who have ever commented have said "what a cute little knife" (or words to that effect).

i'm not entirely sure why this has got hung up on knifes on belts :dunno:

stuart
 

Corso

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Unless I get stopped on my way to a school and arrested.

I am then late to the school, the kids are disappointed, the booking probably lost and I'm out of pocket just because someone didn't know their job.

If carrying a bit of card might help then I am willing to give it a try.

For some people this is just a matter of slight inconvenience, for others it is of some importance.

your cars probably flagged anyway now ;)

If they had nicked you unless they went all the way to court or you were foolish enought to accept a caution you would likely have been entitled to compensation for wrongful arrest
 

verloc

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Me too, and yes they did and still do. Durulz, you may not have seen a knife but I'll guarantee that everyone of them had a beaten up half broken penknife in their pocket.

Snap. Angus is covered in farmland too. The point is if its a legal carry then its legal. whether its me opening a carton of baby milk in a supermarket cafe or fixing a lighter in the local boozer before going our for a smoke.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying its a good or sensible idea to go to a say a nightclub with any blade on you but if you did your still legal but going to fall foul of that organisations rules.

I also would happily take the hit and appear in court (not that it would ever get that far) for carrying an EDC. I am not scared of my country but when I curtail my legal activities to satisfy the law enforcement agencies that cant be bothered to have an accurate knowledge then that is something I am scared off.
 

Soundmixer

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"i'm not entirely sure why this has got hung up on knifes on belts"

That is exactly the problem. If the police can see it they assume threat. If you keep it tucked away in your pocket then the trouble goes away.
No point in aggravating a situation. If it's legal it's legal. Knives with clips on them sticking out of a back pocket are just as bad as once again it is assumed that "quick access" means weapon.
As my dad once said, keep it in your pants and you'll be fine son....
 

British Red

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You know what, I live in an area surrounded by farms.
In all my time I have never seen a farmer or farm-worker walk into a pub at lunchtime or evening with a knife on their belt.

Do you have any idea how much bailer twine gets used on the average farm?

How many feed, seed and fertiliser sacks get opened on a daily basis?

How much electric fence cable gets cut to size?

How many cable ties get used on tree guards?

How many cans of Transfer and Roundup need the seals punching?

How many bramble lengths get wound round flail cutters?

The idea that farmers (most if not all) don't have some sort of penknife in their pocket is......laughable
 

durulz

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"i'm not entirely sure why this has got hung up on knifes on belts"

That is exactly the problem. If the police can see it they assume threat. If you keep it tucked away in your pocket then the trouble goes away.
No point in aggravating a situation. If it's legal it's legal. Knives with clips on them sticking out of a back pocket are just as bad as once again it is assumed that "quick access" means weapon.
As my dad once said, keep it in your pants and you'll be fine son....

That's exactly it. If you act responsibly there won't be a problem.
Just because you can legally have a 3" non-locker on you doesn't mean it's necessarily sensible to go around with it on display.
 

durulz

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patronising self-important nonsense

If you actually took the trouble to read what I said, and not just what you wanted to hear, then you would have noticed that I said I have not seen them walk into a pub with a knife on their belt (you even quoted the sentence yourself!).
That's nothing like saying they didn't actually have one.
My statement just recognised the fact that people who genuinely need to use a knife (e.g. farmers) don't feel the need to display it like a badge of some kind. Unlike most bushcrafters who, it seems to me, just want to carry a knife as a part of their bushcraft uniform and then engineer situations where they really needed it and it was really useful.
 

verloc

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That's exactly it. If you act responsibly there won't be a problem.
Just because you can legally have a 3" non-locker on you doesn't mean it's necessarily sensible to go around with it on display.

Sorry but I disagree - surely if its legal then its legal whether its buried in my pack, fighting for space in my pocket with my keys or superglued to my forehead! The law doesn't say a sub 3" non locking folder that must be concealed does it?
 

Mikey P

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I've managed to go 55 years without the need of a knife on me, why on earth carry a blade on you?

Utterly agree.

Whilst I have carried a v useful Leatherman when away on work jobs, I have had no need to carry any knife around in public in my normal life. Clearly, this depends on your activities and job but I suspect that most people who profess a 'need' to carry an EDC don't need to have one at all.

Oddly enough, if you don't carry, there's no issue with the law and the problem is solved.
 

Corso

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but thats YOU and noone has any issue with that

however its perfectly legal for me to carry one so I do
 

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