How safe is river water?

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This thread got me curious about my drinking supply at home, so i had a bit of a look at the southern water reports on the drinking water in my area, anyone in the Southern Water catchment area can do so here-http://www.southernwater.co.uk/homeAndLeisure/whereILive/default.asp

I was quite surprised at how clean the water in my area was, considering that a lot cones from our local river, which is not well known for being the cleanest. I'm not sure if other companies offer this information, but might be worth a look on-line if you're curious about your water supplies.
 
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Much of the focus here seems to be on the removal of micro organisms, when the thing that concerns me most is the content of oil (from that little Tw*t down the road stripping his car), agricultural chemicals, industrial accidents,hydraulic fluids, and god knows what from industrial fly tippers, Spirit from silage pits, all this makes its way to the water course, and non of it will be removed from the water by boiling.

You may be lucky and have a substantial impervious strata locally, but you have no evidence of that when in the field.

Drinking this stuff can sprout enormous black and grey beards... fine if you are John Fenna, but not so good for the girlies heheh

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Yes chemicals do seem to have been brushed under the carpet,so to speak, & I've been tapping until my fingers have gone numb trying to get this accross, but somehow it's only of minor importance, .....the "just boil it" brigade have obviously found a method of elimating it........................................drinking river water can sprout big beards & not just where you would expect to find them........................................
 
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Well - if the River Tivy is NOT a relatively polution free source then half of the West Wales costal area is in trouble as the water taken from it is the domestic source for an awful lot of people in the Cardigan and South Ceredigion, North Pembrokeshire and Teifi Valley areas!
Would this have anything to do with my fast developing Moobs?

I'm afraid fast devoloping Moobs are a clinical symton of frequent river water consumption, & there was you believing there were no ill effects.
 
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John Fenna

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Yes chemicals do seem to have been brushed under the carpet,so to speak, & I've been tapping until my fingers have gone numb trying to get this accross, but somehow it's only of minor importance, .....the "just boil it" brigade have obviously found a method of elimating it........................................drinking river water can sprout big beards & not just where you would expect to find them........................................
I just checked - 96% of water supplied by Welsh Water is abstracted from rivers - other than settling, filtering, chemical treatment, UV treatment do water companies have other treatments to render tap water "pure"? All those I mention are available for anyone to carry around and so I cannot see how it is dangerous for me to drink from rivers anymore than it is safe to drink from my taps in the house.
Mind you, a lot of the blokes around here have mighty beards - and the wifes upper lip is looking a bit suspect.....
 
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I just checked - 96% of water supplied by Welsh Water is abstracted from rivers - other than settling, filtering, chemical treatment, UV treatment do water companies have other treatments to render tap water "pure"? All those I mention are available for anyone to carry around and so I cannot see how it is dangerous for me to drink from rivers anymore than it is safe to drink from my taps in the house.
Mind you, a lot of the blokes around here have mighty beards - and the wifes upper lip is looking a bit suspect.....

Good for you & if ever I'm down your way, I might dip my crusader in too.....but it's not because YOU have good river water, that everyone has, or that every river is drinkable because your's is, so advice like" use ya noggin" is not really helpful, as most potential river drinkers won't be carrying portable laboratories with them (it will come). Do a bit of homework, yes, but how many can or will, & if a walker comes accross a river & his bottle is empty, how does he Know it's safe to drink.....................................
I have gone on a bit about this subject & I know I'm in the minority but it's not really the old sea dogs that I'm worried about, your lives of adventure & debauchery have left you beyond redemption, but the young newcommer's, prehaps a little naive, who on reading your words of wisdom & experience, take it as read, drinking from rivers is fine & head down to their nearest cesspit to fill up their canteens........................................
 
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Exactly what I said earlier John, of you have that kind of gear, its as good as your gonna get.:cool:


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The point I was trying to make was that boiling will not kill the chemical content, and that can be very nasty, and stay in your body creating havoc for years.
UV, charcoal filters, RO filters etc can all be used to good effect. You may even end up with better than at home.:35:
 
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Exactly what I said earlier John, of you have that kind of gear, its as good as your gonna get.:cool:


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The point I was trying to make was that boiling will not kill the chemical content, and that can be very nasty, and stay in your body creating havoc for years.
UV, charcoal filters, RO filters etc can all be used to good effect. You may even end up with better than at home.:35:

In fact - boiling CONCENTRATES the chemical/heavy metal/non living polution......
In Ghana we were drinking the water from lake Volta ...at the end of the dry season when the first rains were washing all the years carp into the water causing algal blooms, plus there were filthy ferries, villages with no sanitary treatment etc etc.
We filtered (Katadyn ceramic jobbies) and heavily chlorinated and apart from the water still stinking and the chlorine making me want to chuck all the water I had just consumed (we needed to take on about 9liters per day as it was a tad warm for long distance canoeing....) we were fine.
I had a detailed medical after we returned (mainly to check for a problem I developped out there - possibly gall stones but most likely a virus [could possibly have been waterborn but I was the only one to suffer] - and for bilhartzia(sp?).
I was, acording to the docs, "free from any problems." - and that is in a bilharzia endemic area with high levels of organic, chemical and other pollutants.
The only boiling was for cooking and tea making reasons - not for purification.

Check your local water supplier - a good number of English cities abstract water in Wales, a large amount of drinking water in the UK is abstracted from rivers and London water has passed through a lot of kidneys before it gets back to your tap!

In the UK hills I would normally be happy to drink from the streams above habitation level after just boiling the water.
In lowland areas I would want to give any water the full filter and boil or filter with RO and UV etc to remove as much chemical etc as well as bacteria, cysts, viruses (which I would PRESUME are in lowland waters) as possible.
Some chemicals (it would seem) get through any process and are in our drinking water anyway.... some of Cumbria is still radioactive after chernobyl....
The only way to get pure H2O is in your home lab!

Do your homework and treat your water accordingly!

Nigh on 40 years of following this regime and I do not seem to have developed any long term health problems - except for the beard.... and a distrust of tap water!
Dammit it comes from a river I canoe on and I know my boat is dirty!

Follow WC Fields advice ..."...never drink water - fish F*** in it!" and you should be fine!
 

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My own practices echo those of Mr Fenna. I also found this-http://www.katadyn.com/fileadmin/user_upload/katadyn_products/Downloads/Water_Guide_EN.pdf

Although produced by Katadyn, it does not refer to any of their products and is a simple guide showing the dangers present in drinking 'wild' or foreign water and also the recommended steps to take.
 

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My own practices echo those of Mr Fenna. I also found this-http://www.katadyn.com/fileadmin/user_upload/katadyn_products/Downloads/Water_Guide_EN.pdf

Although produced by Katadyn, it does not refer to any of their products and is a simple guide showing the dangers present in drinking 'wild' or foreign water and also the recommended steps to take.

Now that is a good find!
I have saved it for future reference/quotes :)
It should answer the OPs question :):35:
 
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Well, anyway guys, I live near sellafield & I was wondering if I filtered & boiled the liquid run off, would it be o.k......it would be a Godsend as I wouldn't have to carry any heavy water with me when I go to play on the beach. I've also heard that by drinking it I wouldn't need a torch on the way back, should I stay paddling until sunset, which would be great as batteries are so heavy.......................I hope you give me the all clear, then in few years I can proudly quote that famous bushcrafting phrase; " I've been drinking it for years with no ill effects".............................oop's have to go, mummy's just come in...................
 
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Well, anyway guys, I live near sellafield & I was wondering if I filtered & boiled the liquid run off, would it be o.k......it would be a Godsend as I wouldn't have to carry any heavy water with me when I go to play on the beach. I've also heard that by drinking it I wouldn't need a torch on the way back, should I stay paddling until sunset, which would be great as batteries are so heavy.......................I hope you give me the all clear, then in few years I can say proudly quote that famous bushcrafting phrase; " I've been drinking it for years with no ill effects".............................oop's have to go, mummy's just come in...................

If your carrying heavy water about, keep a watchful eye for a crack team of Commando's trying to infiltrate your perimeter!
 

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