Is it the Moon?

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May 12, 2007
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That is so completely true.

...or rather the resident gob-on-a-stick and his six mates.

I don't know mate if i'm the gob on the stick or one of the six mate's,but i apologise for my posting style if it makes me troll like,some are good at posting,and some not, and you with out a doubt are,unfortunately i can't put myself over like you can,wish i could,but i try my best,and will help any one out the best i can.

Bernie
 

Mesquite

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Bernie, you do fine and I for one have yet to be offended by anything you've posted.
There's been some tongue in cheek stuff that you've said and people might have got upset over but it's nothing compared to some of the things that have been said by others on here.
So don't worry about it, you have my respect :You_Rock_
 

Cobweb

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Aug 30, 2007
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Apparently Mercury is in retrograde... :O

I don't like sniping and bitching it's just childish.

Hugs to all :D


Ps, I think people simply want attention and the best way to do that is to either have a tantrum or annoy someone else!
 

gregorach

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Well, since people have asked, and very briefly.... Tidal forces affect everything equally, not just water - the ground under your feet flexes by about 30cm. The reason you only notice the tides affecting large bodies of water like oceans is that (a) they're very, very big, and (b) water can move.

Tides are caused by differences in orbital velocity. The gravitational centres of the Earth and Moon are both orbiting around their common centre. However, the near side of the Earth (or Moon) is travelling slower, and the far side is travelling faster. The net result is a kind of "stretching" force which is proportional to the distance between the point in question and the orbital path of the gravitational centre of the body.

Tides do affect people - they make you microscopically lighter (but no less massive, unfortunately) twice a day. If you were, say, a thousand miles tall, you might notice some stretching.

So I'm afraid that the whole "tides affect water, people are mostly water, therefore tides affect people" line of reasoning is bunk. I'd be prepared to entertain the notion that the phase of the moon might affect moods because of its light, if it weren't for (a) artificial lighting and (b) the numerous studies that show no effect.

Here endeth the lesson for today.
 

Tadpole

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The moon only affects unbounded water, the water in the human body is mostly in cells therefore bounded. 2/3 of the water in the body is intracellular fluid.
I mean you don't see the moon pulling the stags breath higher on one side of the bottle than the other...
 

BorderReiver

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The moon only affects unbounded water, the water in the human body is mostly in cells therefore bounded. 2/3 of the water in the body is intracellular fluid.
I mean you don't see the moon pulling the stags breath higher on one side of the bottle than the other...


You don't?:eek:
 

Shambling Shaman

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Tides do affect people - they make you microscopically lighter (but no less massive, unfortunately) twice a day.

So if the above is true?
This cant be true as well?

So I'm afraid that the whole "tides affect water, people are mostly water, therefore tides affect people" line of reasoning is bunk. I'd be prepared to entertain the notion that the phase of the moon might affect moods because of its light, if it weren't for (a) artificial lighting and (b) the numerous studies that show no effect.

Here endeth the lesson for today.
 

BorderReiver

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I used to hate being on call during a full moon as the numbers of post op bleeders, haematemeses and melaenas requiring cross matching usually went up.

Of course, it could have been coincidence.:)
 

Shambling Shaman

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I was meaning "affects people's mood or behaviour". Sorry, I thought it was obvious from the context...

I got that,
its just if we are - if even microscopically - affected and a full moon has a stronger pull then who really knows? I can fully agree with you. But at the same having work with kid with behavioral problems I know when there was a full moon then there was always more trouble.
Then like you said that might just be a light thing, and not connected to are water?

Thanks for a well put explanation.
 

SimonM

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... But at the same having work with kid with behavioral problems I know when there was a full moon then there was always more trouble...

Same job but I find that behaviour is affected by everything...

  • phase of the Moon
  • Is it raining / snowing / windy / sunny?
  • Which side of the bed they got out of...:rolleyes:
  • day of the week
  • etc etc
Must find a new job...:lmao:

SImon
 

gregorach

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I got that,
its just if we are - if even microscopically - affected and a full moon has a stronger pull then who really knows? I can fully agree with you. But at the same having work with kid with behavioral problems I know when there was a full moon then there was always more trouble.
Then like you said that might just be a light thing, and not connected to are water?

Thanks for a well put explanation.

Why would weighing a couple of microgrammes (not sure of the exact number, as I haven't done the math - but it's definitely very, very small) less affect your mood or behaviour? There isn't a set of scales in the world precise enough to measure the difference (that I know of). Walking into a tall building probably makes about as much difference.

As for the light, sure, I can see that it's theoretically plausible - but if it were actually real, why do many, very large studies not find any effect? And why are all the studies which do find an effect either very small or statistically flawed, and why are the effects they claim to find contradictory? The wiki page on the Lunar effect is pretty good on this subject...

As a general rule, if an effect is real, then it becomes more noticeable in larger, better designed studies. If your supposed effect only show up in anecdotes and small, badly designed studies, and disappears in large, good studies, then it's almost certainly not real. And if all the small, badly designed studies find different, mutually exclusive effects, then you can be as certain as anything ever gets...

The fact that you believe in this effect will alter your perceptions of it. If you notice a bad day and it's a full moon, you chalk that up as a "hit". But do you also count all the "misses" - bad days that aren't a full moon, or full moons that aren't bad days? Don't underestimate the power of confirmation bias...

And here I go again... I keep telling myself I'm going to stop. I clearly need help!
 

locum76

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once upon a time on a full moon, i accidently filled my petrol car with diesel. (yes i know theres a widgit which is supposed to stop that kind of silliness).

the accident recovery guy who came to tow me away to have the engine pumped clean told me not to worry. every full moon he had to deal with 5 or ten such hopeless cases, compared with none the rest of the month...
 

gregorach

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Show me the stats and I'll believe it. "I once met this guy who said" doesn't cut it. Do the accident recovery services send out extra staff around the new moon because of all the extra call-outs they expect?
 

spiritofold

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The moon and its affect on life is something that will probably be explained when we are long dead. Science cant explain it at the moment, that dont mean theres not something to it though. Im sure i remember reading somewhere about whale and dolphins being entranced by the full moon, and theres something about narwhales (sp) acting funny when theres a full moon. Strange stuff.
 

gregorach

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It's not that "science can't explain it" - it's that science can't find an "it" in need of explanation. If anyone can demonstrate that the effect exists first, then we'll start worrying about explaining it.
 

Toddy

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This weekend I sat beside a fire on the shingle about 2 metres from an almost glassily calm loch, watching a glorious moon, complete with a misty, icy halo, and a shooting star flew overhead and burnt out down the loch. The company was of the best, it was a couple of beautiful nights :D and I come home to find the forum's been going nuts :rolleyes:

I reckon that all that's wrong is that some people weren't out there enjoying the moon, sitting round a fire, with good company in a beautiful place ;) so the stress takes over and the frustration gets spread around.

Well, that's my theory :eek: :)

cheers,
Toddy
 

Glen

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Oct 16, 2005
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I got that,
its just if we are - if even microscopically - affected and a full moon has a stronger pull then who really knows? I can fully agree with you.

Well no as the local forces somewhat smother them out.

Gravitation being an inverse square force means that the computer next to you is probably affecting you more, gravity wise, than the moon.
 

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