The Canteen Cup Confusion. 58 pattern

[Erbswurst]

I tried to inform myself about the British military canteen.
And with every word I read about it I got more and more confused.

Does BCB stand for Big Confusion Bottle?

Can anybody tell me please if the currently produced original issued Osprey 58 pattern bottle fits well into the stainless steel crusader mug?

I mean the crusader mug under the bottle of course.

In which pouches does it fit?

I mean that here:

58 Pattern Osprey Water Bottle & Mug - British Issue No Fakes!

58 pattern Osprey Water Bottle and Mug If it aint broke don't fix it!! The Osprey 58 pattern water bottle and mug is a must, there are many fakes

www.thebushcraftstore.co.uk

Crusader Cup Canteen

The Crusader Mug is a great piece of field kit, it allows you to cook in your mug negating the need for separate mess tins and means you can make and

www.thebushcraftstore.co.uk

 

[Bazzworx]

Yes those two go together like peas and carrots and the pouch is this one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-...174130?hash=item25fb50eab2:g:JD8AAOSwkBZanBNy

You can also get the burner which goes with the set and all fits in the pouch as seen here https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRITISH-...925335?hash=item519ea466d7:g:KbIAAOSwYvFZJnfr

 

[Erbswurst]

Thank you very much for the info!

This cup fits as well into the issued folding hexamine stove , isn't it?


Does the DPM PLCE utility / waterbottle pouch have Molle straps at the back?

 

[Bazzworx]

Yes the hexi stove has an attachment that the cup fits in http://www.discountarmy.co.uk/products/hardwear/231~4-new-army-hexi-soild-fuel-stove

I could be wrong but I think the pouch has PLCE attachments rather than Molle straps. No doubt there is a pouch out there that would suit the water bottle kit that has Molle though.

 

[TinkyPete]

The Water bottle does fit into various pouches some molle (Osprey/Vertus) some standard PLCE

Pouches it fits into are:
Water bottle pouch closed (rectangular one)
Utility pouch
Water water bottle open pouch (looks similar to the US canteen pouch)
LMG 100 round pouch (loads of room to spare)
Dump pouch
Roll up dump pouch

 

[Wushuplayer]

Yes those two go together like peas and carrots and the pouch is this one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-...174130?hash=item25fb50eab2:g:JD8AAOSwkBZanBNy

You can also get the burner which goes with the set and all fits in the pouch as seen here https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRITISH-...925335?hash=item519ea466d7:g:KbIAAOSwYvFZJnfr

Hi, which of these pouches would be a better fit for the bottle, plastic mug and stainless canteen?

BRITISH WATER BOTTLE POUCH - FOR OSPREY MK IV ARMOUR - MTP CAMOUFLAGE - 10 x 18 x 12 cm - MILITARY SURPLUS - LIKE NEW

BRITISH WATER BOTTLE POUCH - FOR OSPREY MK IV ARMOUR - MTP CAMOUFLAGE - 10 x 18 x 12 cm - MILITARY SURPLUS - LIKE NEW

www.militarysurplus.eu

or

British UTILITY Pouch Osprey MK IV - Military Surplus - 10 x 18 x 10 cm - Like new

British UTILITY Pouch Osprey MK IV - Military Surplus - 10 x 18 x 10 cm - Like new

www.militarysurplus.eu

?
Thanks

 

[Erbswurst]

Does the MTP bottle pouch fit as well, if I want to put in it the Osprey bottle with plastic cup, Crusader mug and the BCB gel / hexamine stove above?

 

[TinkyPete]

generally I would say yes, a bit tight with the stove but clever packing will get it to fit. The old German esbit stoves are thinner and fit better and you can still use the gel in them. I know cause it is what I use in one of my webbing set ups. and I also changed the plastic cup for a large fold-a-cup which the Scandinavian soldiers use. gives me spare room to fit a lighter, spoon, soup and some brew kit in the pouch.

I have the kit so, can look into for you and take a couple of pictures of it.

 

[DocG]

Just for information: the mark one BCB stainless steel cup (the one shown in the thread above) also fits onto the Nalgene canteen eg https://www.alpinetrek.co.uk/nalgen...google_uk.1676611643.64624913909.325169400460
No affiliation with the seller , just found the link on google - don't think I'd choose a brown, translucent bottle to drink from...

 

[Erbswurst]

What???
That fits too?

I think the Nalgene canteen follows the shape of the issued US army plastic canteen. Are they all interchangeable???

The Nalgene canteen exists in a dark green version too. That looks a bit better for my taste.

 

[Erbswurst]

@TinkyPete

Please do that!!!

Do you have the clip bail as well?
Does it fit additional under it all into the pouch?

Is the MTP version compatible with the MOLLE / PALS system?

 

[DocG]

What???
That fits too?

I think the Nalgene canteen follows the shape of the issued US army plastic canteen. Are they all interchangeable?

Sorry, can't confirm that as I don't know about the US model's link to the Nalgene bottle.

I'd really like a metal canteen that fits the Crusader mk1 - any information out there?

 

[Tiley]

What???
That fits too?

I think the Nalgene canteen follows the shape of the issued US army plastic canteen. Are they all interchangeable???

The Nalgene canteen exists in a dark green version too. That looks a bit better for my taste.

Yes, they do. I abandoned my Osprey black plastic bottle in favour of the Nalgene canteen and, while the Nalgene bottle slides into the Crusader stainless steel cup easily, it is not as snug a fit.

 

[Bert]

still, there are differences between the US issued and US style canteens, I bought a US style (didn't know that then) canteen and it had a different size then the issued one, and again they have a different size then the Dutch issued canteen.
The US style canteen I bought was made by Mil-Tec, inferiour quality compared to the same issued subject. (They copy nowadays allmost all military stuff)

 

[Erbswurst]

Sorry to read that you gave your money to Miltec. That's usually a bad idea.

The Nalgene canteen is surely far better.

Yes, it looks different, not really my stile, probably not so bomb proof as the original one, but: It is lightweight!

 

[Erbswurst]

Does the BCB steel Crusader mug fit into a US army ALICE canteen pouch?
And a US army or Nalgene bottle with it?

 

[Bert]

If I can help it I WON'T give my money to Mil-Tec, quite simply I refuse that!
But often merchands aren't so thoughtful to tell where their stuff is coming from, is my experience.
About the Crusader mug and US canteen pouche? I have no Idea, I own not the one or the other.

 

[Erbswurst]

If the seller doesn't sell it as original / issued he should keep it.

It's better to buy the equipment in a trusty shop anyway...

Trusty British Surplus Shops ?

Please tell me in your opinion trusty British military surplus shops who run an internet shop. (You may off course write in here little shops in Britain too, which don't run internet shops, but please tell it me, if I can't order there via homepage.) Thank you!

bushcraftuk.com

 

[Bert]

You're right, but we are not all in such privileged situation, I need to drive at least 2,5H for a big city, and even then It's the question if they have a good assorted and serious shop...

 

[Tonyuk]

Does the MTP bottle pouch fit as well, if I want to put in it the Osprey bottle with plastic cup, Crusader mug and the BCB gel / hexamine stove above?

All that's usually carried is the bottle and mug, i don't bother with the cooker myself.

The cut out for the hexy stove hasn't been issued for years, and wouldn't fit the new stove anyway. Do yourself a favour and put some black tape over the lip on one side, stops you burning your lips.

The US mug wont fit onto the bottom of an osprey bottle.