You won't believe what I found

[Samon]

Not your average fishing shop knives!

Had to google them and they are a pretty penny, not to mention the potential issues in even getting hold of them.

They are likely fakes. I've seen plenty of counterfeit benchmades being shipped to the UK. I even had one of the butterfly comb things which came branded. And eBay often misses certain items sold via Asian sellers that are prohibited from owning here. Easily ordered and acquired, seen dozens of them first hand too.

 

[Paul_B]

Lol well everyone is entitled to their own opinion.........as hilarious as that my be

(How does liking knives effect a persons suitability to owning them? lmfao)

Actually my point was that anyone who wants to keep illegal knives whose main function is to have a quick deploy in a fight type scenario is unsuitable to own knives. I think that is a very valid pov in the UK and probably a lot of other countries as indicated by their legal prohibition of ownership of such knives.

I hope this post amuses you further.

 

[sunndog]

Actually my point was that anyone who wants to keep illegal knives whose main function is to have a quick deploy in a fight type scenario is unsuitable to own knives. I think that is a very valid pov in the UK and probably a lot of other countries as indicated by their legal prohibition of ownership of such knives.

I hope this post amuses you further.

A person is not prohibited from owning a balisong in the uk (i'm not 100% sure about flick knives) its the buying and selling them that is not allowed.

The fact they they were primarily designed/intended as weapons is neither here nor there.......cos no-one who appreciates an item designed as a weapon could be a responsible citizen could they? I wonder how many swords, axes, and maces her majesty the queen owns???

So all weapons collectors are unsuitable to own sharp objects in your opinion.......that is pretty amusing to be fair

 

[Nice65]

Actually my point was that anyone who wants to keep illegal knives whose main function is to have a quick deploy in a fight type scenario is unsuitable to own knives. I think that is a very valid pov in the UK and probably a lot of other countries as indicated by their legal prohibition of ownership of such knives.

I hope this post amuses you further.

You've gone a bit further than the actual situation and got all serious and judgemental. Mike said he found a couple of knives, both illegal to own due to the Criminal Justice Act 1988. The man said he was handing them in. Couple of us said knives can be fun, interesting, art forms, tools, amazing engineering etc. Neither myself or Sunndog said we'd keep the knives, just be interested in them.

You've made a fairly hefty jump to make the assumption that any of us are irresponsible, violent, want to fight, and should be issued butter knives because we shouldn't be allowed anything else. It's nanny state talk Paul, reign it it in, we're not babies.

 

[Samon]

Actually my point was that anyone who wants to keep illegal knives whose main function is to have a quick deploy in a fight type scenario is unsuitable to own knives. I think that is a very valid pov in the UK and probably a lot of other countries as indicated by their legal prohibition of ownership of such knives.

I hope this post amuses you further.

Please don't feel like you're being ganged on. But also try to understand not everyone thinks knee jerk legislations like banning one knife over another is justified.

By your description of quickly deployed in a fight, a fixe blade knife would be better. I certainly don't believe you want fixed blades to be criminalised and banned.

And although I think it's cool that you're morally just, I don't reckon the knives or anyone who wants them are inherently bad. Every Bali or auto I've owned or seen has been complete crap. My only prejudice is there quality lol.

 

[C_Claycomb]

You could draw parallels with all the archers who get excited in great hefty long bows, or want to own a couple of ash shafts with bodkin points. Its not because they want to go turning anyone into a kebab.

At Blade Show I got to handle a variety of automatics, many were beautifully hand made, incredible design and detail, impressive engineering and an undeniably fun fiddle factor...and of almost no practical use whatsoever. Even if I had the money, and they were legal, I wouldn't be all that interested in one, but I could certainly appreciate them as artistic and technical objects. There was about as much similarity with some of the cheap junk I have seen as between a Porsch 911 and an early Beetle.

At the moment both those knives could have been owned legally, but not carried to the parking lot legally, so handing them in was the right thing to do. My bet is they were dumped to avoid being found on someone during a search. So probably not owned by a bumbling older collector who wasn't up to date on the laws!

The sad thing is many people out there see all knives as weapons and would judge Paul for wanting to use a bushcraft knife in the same manner Paul judges people who appreciate knives he disapproves of. I believe we all need to be careful about creating division lines within our ranks when those outside don't and won't appreciate the distinctions.

 

[Fadcode]

The thing to watch in a situation like this is,.if the OP had have been stopped by the fuzz as he was taking these knives home, he would have been in deep trouble, as I am sure the " I found them in a car park, and was taking them home to call you to come and collect them" would not have been accepted, and I am sure a search warrant would have been issued, and probably all his knives consficated and a possible jail sentence. This unfortunately is the world we now live in, sad as it is, as in reality he broke the law when he picked them up, as he was then carrying illegal knives in a public place.............all above said in hindsight, as I am sure I would have done the exact same thing..

 

[Mike Bowler]

Hope you wiped your fingerprints off them..........................................well with Police investigation targets you never know.....................or am I being too cynical.

funny enough I did wipe them down and put them in kitchen towel

 

[sunndog]

The thing to watch in a situation like this is,.if the OP had have been stopped by the fuzz as he was taking these knives home, he would have been in deep trouble, as I am sure the " I found them in a car park, and was taking them home to call you to come and collect them" would not have been accepted, and I am sure a search warrant would have been issued, and probably all his knives consficated and a possible jail sentence. This unfortunately is the world we now live in, sad as it is, as in reality he broke the law when he picked them up, as he was then carrying illegal knives in a public place.............all above said in hindsight, as I am sure I would have done the exact same thing..

Reckon the supermarket cctv would have him covered......but yeah, stranger things have happened unfortunately

 

[daveO]

A person is not prohibited from owning a balisong in the uk (i'm not 100% sure about flick knives) its the buying and selling them that is not allowed.

The fact they they were primarily designed/intended as weapons is neither here nor there.......cos no-one who appreciates an item designed as a weapon could be a responsible citizen could they? I wonder how many swords, axes, and maces her majesty the queen owns???

So all weapons collectors are unsuitable to own sharp objects in your opinion.......that is pretty amusing to be fair

The question is though: If knife collectors like flick knives for their engineering, artistic merit etc and not for their stabby function, why do they have to have a knife blade? Surely a flick comb could be just as interesting and not illegal?

 

[sunndog]

The question is though: If knife collectors like flick knives for their engineering, artistic merit etc and not for their stabby function, why do they have to have a knife blade? Surely a flick comb could be just as interesting and not illegal?

Thays like asking a classic car collector if a matchbox car would be just as good.......or an art collector if a print is as good as an original........or joan collins if costume jewellry is as good as real diamonds lol

 

[dwardo]

The question is though: If knife collectors like flick knives for their engineering, artistic merit etc and not for their stabby function, why do they have to have a knife blade? Surely a flick comb could be just as interesting and not illegal?

Because it would be a comb with flappy handles and not a knife.

 

[daveO]

Thays like asking a classic car collector if a matchbox car would be just as good.......or an art collector if a print is as good as an original........or joan collins if costume jewellry is as good as real diamonds lol

No it would be like asking a classic car collector if a classic car without a working engine would be as good if he has no drivers licence. Or asking Joan Collins if real diamonds are necessary if she can't leave the house wearing them. Not saying I don't collect stuff that has no practical use mind and you can do what you want in the privacy of your own house but it's interesting that flick knives lose their appeal when you round the end off and dull the edge.

 

[sunndog]

No it would be like asking a classic car collector if a classic car without a working engine would be as good if he has no drivers licence. Or asking Joan Collins if real diamonds are necessary if she can't leave the house wearing them. Not saying I don't collect stuff that has no practical use mind and you can do what you want in the privacy of your own house but it's interesting that flick knives lose their appeal when you round the end off and dull the edge.

Disagree mate. Asking someone to appreciate a flick comb as if it was a flick knife is asking someone to pretend a fake is real, to look at one thing and make a leap in their head and look at it as if its something else entirely which is just an invalid comparison......and joan collins would deffo say that real diamonds were necessary lmao


A classic car with no engine is nothing like as cool as one you can start up and run, even if you cant drive it on the roads

 

[Nice65]

The question is though: If knife collectors like flick knives for their engineering, artistic merit etc and not for their stabby function, why do they have to have a knife blade? Surely a flick comb could be just as interesting and not illegal?

I have one of these. I'm utterly hopeless at the opening and closing, let alone the tricks. It's fun to put on the table at a barbecue though.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/2730477373...3D710-134428-41853-0%26rvr_id%3D1441426971089

But it isn't as interesting is it? As mentioned by Chris, us humans have in inbuilt interest in weaponry of all sorts. The AA12 shotgun has a fun factor that you'll never get from the "tool" that is the side by side 12 bore. Lethal, restricted mostly, but undeniably fun.

 

[petrochemicals]

Ask for them back, it's apparently not illegal to find or keep them. According to the law they're yours

"It is illegal to bring into the UK, sell, hire, lend or give anyone the following:"

Battons are illegal, so throw out any long stick like material, and so are weights on string, so out go the plumb bobs.

Also good reasons are limited to

• taking knives you use at work to and from work
• taking it to a gallery or museum to be exhibited
• if it’ll be used for theatre, film, television, historical reenactment or religious purposes, for example the kirpan some Sikhs carry
• if it’ll be used in a demonstration or to teach someone how to use it

So no using of them, sorry

 

[Nice65]

You forgot pointed articles. Yawn...

It's all down to discretion on the part of both the user and the police. I daresay if our OP was stopped and searched, there would be a reason for it. If he carefully explained what had happened, he'd very likely be thanked and the knives taken without charge or warning.

A few years ago we got a bloke on BB asking about the law. He'd been charged with possession of a Swiss Army Knife. Strangely it was the corkscrew that caused the problem. As the story unfolded, not only did we discover him to be an arrogant idiot, but that he'd unfolded the corkscrew and told the police something along the lines of he didn't like coppers and wasn't going to cooperate.

 

[petrochemicals]

A few years ago we got a bloke on BB asking about the law. He'd been charged with possession of a Swiss Army Knife. Strangely it was the corkscrew that caused the problem. As the story unfolded, not only did we discover him to be an arrogant idiot, but that he'd unfolded the corkscrew and told the police something along the lines of he didn't like coppers and wasn't going to cooperate.

I'm sure you have been on "the net" or "the web" long enough to hear a few of those bisht threads. There was one on here of someone being lost in a plane crash in a survival situation, only to turn out to be a fairy tale. Why people do it I do not know. Why do beople not say the web or net anymore why is it now the internet?

 

[Nice65]

I'm sure you have been on "the net" or "the web" long enough to hear a few of those bisht threads. There was one on here of someone being lost in a plane crash in a survival situation, only to turn out to be a fairy tale. Why people do it I do not know. Why do beople not say the web or net anymore why is it now the internet?

I have indeed, but this wasn't bull as far as we know. He came to BB to post in the law forum, was as arrogant with us as he was with the police. Disappeared for a while, came back with more questions as his court date approached. We grilled him and he admitted telling the police to bugger off and showing the corkscrew. His username was corkscrew, I think we just told him to bugger off too. He left telling us ""haters will be haters" for some reason.

Regards the plane crash you speak of, that's a very long, complicated, and interesting story. You couldn't even guess it, nobody could.

 

[sunndog]

I'm sure you have been on "the net" or "the web" long enough to hear a few of those bisht threads. There was one on here of someone being lost in a plane crash in a survival situation, only to turn out to be a fairy tale. Why people do it I do not know. Why do beople not say the web or net anymore why is it now the internet?

I say we bring back 'the information super highway'