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Lltfdaniel

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I agree,

You can get a sigg bottle that is the same and or a little bit better regarding thermal performance according to ourdoorsmagic review and as you say the sigg bottles were best so yeah i didn't know that.

With some shopping around online you can get this for £25 https://www.littletrekkers.co.uk/si...Rh3Peeh45JblBrSCcO3rTuBuFoVs9fXAaApLeEALw_wcB instead of £45-50 by going with the tkpro insulated bottle so you are saving 50% of your money roughly by going with sigg bottles that perform well the same and better according to outdoorsmagic again, when i say same or better i mean comparing the sigg bottle to the tkpro .

The thing i like about the sigg bottle is because you can attach it to your bag unlike the tkpro...plus i bet it would beat the tkpro so am confident from what i know.

Dan.
 

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That test is interesting, but I would like to see them NOT pre heating the flasks.

If you look on the graph, you see that after 4 hours ( time between breakfast fill and a needed mid day cup) the better ones sink by 10C. Preheated.
Not preheated? 30C? More?

My reason you will not preheat is that you need to waste time and fuel boiling up the amount of water used to pre heat. Kind of defeats the purpose....
 

Lltfdaniel

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That test is interesting, but I would like to see them NOT pre heating the flasks.

If you look on the graph, you see that after 4 hours ( time between breakfast fill and a needed mid day cup) the better ones sink by 10C. Preheated.
Not preheated? 30C? More?

My reason you will not preheat is that you need to waste time and fuel boiling up the amount of water used to pre heat. Kind of defeats the purpose....

Well despite the review by outdoors magic i definitely will be going down the sigg thermal bottle route to save money and do the job and be satisfied that i got a good bottle for a good price if not the best.
 
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Robson Valley

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I'm in the preheater camp. I'll pay the price for extra fuel. I'm in no rush.
I'm in no big hurry to fill the flask and tramp off to somewhere else.
I have both an Aladdin and a Thermos flask. Heavy.
Some days here, anything above freezing is a delight.
 

Lltfdaniel

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But then it is better ( warmer, fresher and tastier) to stop and make a brew?

What i think is that yea it would be warmer as in super boiling hot but as for fresher and tastier well i don't think so because i have this in mind which is only to store hot water in the thermal flask and that is it.

Before you bite my head off, it is likely it will be like that i.e. no difference in taste or freshness but i have zero experience with using thermal flask so i don't know but yea the temperature while boiling hot is much better yes i know and agree.

Dan.
 
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Robson Valley

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At 1 atm air pressure, you can't get water hotter than what we call 100C.
Any drink above body temperature (37C) is calories that you don't have to spend to heat the liquid drink.

I don't find any detectable differences in coffee that I make on the tail-gate or from an hour ago in the house.
Everything tastes better in the middle of nowhere ( or close to it.)
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I have never bothered with an insulated bottle for camping. When I used to do more fishing, I carried a Thermos brand glass vacuum flask with either hot food, or a hot drink for the day. It was good when I was in a boat on a big reservoir and wanted a somewhat warm drink. Would I consider using such a bottle to keep water hot so that I could brew tea without using the stove...err no. Because it won't work well. The water won't stay hot enough, long enough.

For the bulk and weight of a thermal flask, you could carry a Kelly Kettle, and practice your fire craft while making truly hot water ;)

Now, thermal insulated pots and wind mouthed flasks can have a value when re-hydrating meals, but I have heard the thru-hikers doing pretty well making insulated overs for cooking pots from roll-mat foam and duct tape. I would want to experiment with that before shopping for a Thermos. Mind you, if you are car camping, the only reason to be eating fully dehydrated meals is if you want the experience of preparing them!

Anyway, you do as you like. See you at next year's Moots.

ATB

Chris
 
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Janne

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My taste buds feel a big difference in flavor on tea ( without milk) and a smaller difference in coffee, from a thermos flask.
Not unpleasant, just different.

I love coffee, find it tasty piping hot, all the way to cold. I do not like the modern 'cold brew' coffee.

Once you go for a first proper walkabout with your pack, you will appreciate the rests...
specially if you pack 30+ kilos!
:)

For me, making a fresh coffeet a couple of times a day is a traditional procedure/ custom.
Even indoors when I work, or at home

Good point with the Kelly Kettle.
 

Lltfdaniel

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I have never bothered with an insulated bottle for camping. When I used to do more fishing, I carried a Thermos brand glass vacuum flask with either hot food, or a hot drink for the day. It was good when I was in a boat on a big reservoir and wanted a somewhat warm drink. Would I consider using such a bottle to keep water hot so that I could brew tea without using the stove...err no. Because it won't work well. The water won't stay hot enough, long enough.

For the bulk and weight of a thermal flask, you could carry a Kelly Kettle, and practice your fire craft while making truly hot water ;)

Now, thermal insulated pots and wind mouthed flasks can have a value when re-hydrating meals, but I have heard the thru-hikers doing pretty well making insulated overs for cooking pots from roll-mat foam and duct tape. I would want to experiment with that before shopping for a Thermos. Mind you, if you are car camping, the only reason to be eating fully dehydrated meals is if you want the experience of preparing them!

Anyway, you do as you like. See you at next year's Moots.

ATB

Chris

My taste buds feel a big difference in flavor on tea ( without milk) and a smaller difference in coffee, from a thermos flask.
Not unpleasant, just different.

I love coffee, find it tasty piping hot, all the way to cold. I do not like the modern 'cold brew' coffee.

Once you go for a first proper walkabout with your pack, you will appreciate the rests...
specially if you pack 30+ kilos!
:)

For me, making a fresh coffeet a couple of times a day is a traditional procedure/ custom.
Even indoors when I work, or at home

Good point with the Kelly Kettle.

I am cautious about the pack weight as well as how hot the water would be in a thermal flask so i think for 12 hours that flask will keep the water nice and hot because that thermal flask beat the competition in a youtube review video and was the best flask (sigg thermal flask) , i am using an amazon basic 75l rucksack and i estimate the tolerance that bag can take so 10-15kg tops and up to 3 kg for the straps maximum.

For me as most people would do to save space, i will be using those freeze dry food ration packs which are not cheap to save quite alot of weight, plus i dumped that folding sauce pan and just staying with the kettle as well as not using those 1 litre water bottles to recycle the water while cooking a mre ration so i have more space for something else plus using hot water for freeze dried food so in effect as has been said i think, will save some gas while boiling the water me thinks.

As for me i have done research like with the thermal flask and then found out that it was the best in a youtube video review before Janne said that is was best regarding the past but prehaps not today so that is proof to him that i did the effort of researching, before he even said that as i think you can read me like an open book, all in all good flask for good money, i have no doubt that the sigg thermal flask would be in the top 3 best category.

I am considering the much better gear and recommendation then going with the folding kettle because i will research them and if that rings true for me i will go for it like with the flask because i doubt the durability of the silicone and its tolerances when under high heat, yea after researching the flask the more i agree with people saying about the kettle being rubbish.

Anyways @C_Claycomb i can send you a picture of me then we can meet at the moot next year then if i decide to go i will be you posted.

Dan.
 
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Lltfdaniel

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Since you guys are enthusiasts what stove would you recommend plus i seriously need a decent base layer to wear (merino wool?) because i sweat like a pig and my normal clothing obviously is not up to it.

I'll have a look at what already has been said.

So far i have a camping lantern with a decent battery life of up to 400 hours of light at 50 lumens using 4 d cell batterys at the very least i think this is a good half decent lantern.

And a 3.78 litre water bottle, which is kinda heavy heh.

Dan.
 
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Janne

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After 12 hours, the water will be luke warm. Around 40C according to the graph? Still enjoyable.
If you wrap it up in clothes (insulation) a couple of degrees warmer.

But do not to hung up on the properties of equipment.

You want stuff that performs well, lasts as long as possible and does not cost a fortune.
I am surprised how little the classic Sigg Al flask costs.
They were truly expensive in my young days!
 

Lltfdaniel

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After 12 hours, the water will be luke warm. Around 40C according to the graph? Still enjoyable.
If you wrap it up in clothes (insulation) a couple of degrees warmer.

But do not to hung up on the properties of equipment.

You want stuff that performs well, lasts as long as possible and does not cost a fortune.
I am surprised how little the classic Sigg Al flask costs.
They were truly expensive in my young days!

Currently looking at the https://trangia.se/en/our-range/ set, will do my research and everything which was recommended by you so yeah i will have to work out how much space i will have and if it can be stored in one of my 8 l dry bag.

Yep £25-30 for a decent sigg flask bottle.
 

Lltfdaniel

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4xD cells, when we have far more efficient Li-ion? Knowledgeable about Sigg, never heard of Trangia?

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What's wrong with that?

I wanted the longest battery life, d cells or li ion i did not care, especially when you need it to last that long when your spending time away from the power socket so you need the longest battery life and that fitted the bill.

I like to share knowledge not insult it, rubbish or not.

Yea i did put some effort researching, anyways thank you.
 
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Janne

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Personally I have never used a lantern or a flashlight.

Trangias are a classic. Go for the Aluminium, and the larger size.
Dad used a Primus kerosene burner until he bought the first Trangia in 1970. I have used them, plus the authorized Optimus version, since.

BillyO has discovered a slight problem with some new Trangia pans, see the thread Svea stove in Cooking.
Sharp edges.
 

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What's wrong with that?

I wanted the longest battery life, d cells or li ion i did not care, especially when you need it to last that long when your spending time away from the power socket so you need the longest battery life and that fitted the bill.

I like to share knowledge not insult it, rubbish or not.

Yea i did put some effort researching, anyways thank you.

That’s good. My immediate impression was that your phone would most likely be used by whoever found you in a gully to call rescue services. Fact is, you are actually doing some research and taking opinions on board, but my concern from the start is you’re launching off the high diving board before you’ve even learnt to swim. Trangia were invented in 1925, used by Swedish and Finnish armies, and have been a stalwart of campers, foresters, walkers etc for decades. I was very surprised to find out you hadn’t heard of them. I’m afraid your lack of knowledge, and need to get away from things, coupled with an admittance to mental health issues put me on high alert as a possible troll. Still am..
 

Janne

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Check out Youtube for Trangia. It is an amazing piece of kit, and there are a couple of simple tweaks in the use of it that widen the usability.

For guys in the unit I belonged to the biggest problem was insufficient heat output in the coldest $hit weather we had to work during.
Plus the Aluminium went brittle.
Unit complained, Trangia listened and modified.
 

Lltfdaniel

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I'm afraid trust has to be earned and that is exactly how you are treating me.

Does not happen over night, yes i prefer to be open and give you the opportunity to insult me.

I can speak for my self, when i was going to add more but refrained for doing so.

Dan.
 
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