Two more plants I'm completely lost trying to id

[awarner]

Having fun again, and I'm completely stuck for the id of these two. They are on the river edge of the Hamble so subject to high spring tides so must be brackish/salt water tolerant. It's also growing beside hemlock water-dropwort to give an idea of habitat.

The first one has a goosefoot/fat han type leaf but this has the leaves opposite each other which the aforementioned does not have plus on size the largest example of this is only about 30cm.



The next one I am still waiting to flower but it seems to have been stuck at this stage for weeks (being impatient)

 

[awarner]

On the plus side I have managed to identify over 100 different trees and plants though this small woodland and meadow I walk.
Moving onto fungus next as it's starting to appear.

 

[Toddy]

The first one is one of the chenopodiums….fat hen, Good King Henry.
The second one 'looks' like a figwort that's taking it's time to unfurl…..

M

p.s. Just looked at the second photos…no it's not figwort. Sorry, no idea. Bound to be someone who recognises it though.
M

 

[awarner]

I was just about to say it's not figwort either lol, that's already flowered in my area, only found a couple of examples so far quite distinctive with the square stem.
Regarding the first, all examples I have seen of fat hen when searching do not have the leaves opposing on the stalk as this does (sorry still not up to speed on the correct terminology)

Thanks for taking a look

 

[Muddypaws]

I'm probably totally wrong here, but I think the second one could be some type of Hollyhock, probably a garden escape, so you won't find it in a wild flower book. It's just something about the way that the leaves are furled, and what looks like a hairy stem, and possibly a flower bud held close in to the main stem.

But I won't stick my neck out and say definitely. Sorry!

 

[Toddy]

The chenopodiums are incredibly diverse. They are gently hairy/mealy on the underside of the leaves. They smell good, mildly cabbagey.

"The young stems and leaves are often densely covered by vesicular globose hairs, thus looking farinose. Characteristically, these trichomes persist, collapsing later and becoming cup-shaped. The branched stems grow erect, ascending, prostrate or scrambling. Lateral branches are alternate (the lowermost ones can be nearly opposite). The alternate or opposite leaves are petiolate. Their thin or slightly fleshy leaf blade is linear, rhombic or triangular-hastate, with entire or dentate or lobed margins."

 

[lou1661]

Having fun again, and I'm completely stuck for the id of these two. They are on the river edge of the Hamble so subject to high spring tides so must be brackish/salt water tolerant. It's also growing beside hemlock water-dropwort to give an idea of habitat.

The first one has a goosefoot/fat han type leaf but this has the leaves opposite each other which the aforementioned does not have plus on size the largest example of this is only about 30cm.

The next one I am still waiting to flower but it seems to have been stuck at this stage for weeks (being impatient)

Strange question I know, but is this stretch of the Hamble from Curbridge to Burridge?

 

[awarner]

It is indeed, I am talking with the National Trust about being a warden for the area as bloody mountain bikes are causing massive damage by cutting new trails through the wood.
The identification project started earlier this year and I found identifying through the months so one or two every few days has been easier than trying to do it on one hit. I've also tried to learn what health benefits etc each plant has which help remembering.

 

[redneck]

Top one could be one of the oraches maybe spear leaved orache.

 

[redneck]

The thing that's throwing me about the second one is the brackish region it's found in that's why I initially thought tree mallow, but I really can't be sure from the pictures.

 

[lou1661]

It is indeed, I am talking with the National Trust about being a warden for the area as bloody mountain bikes are causing massive damage by cutting new trails through the wood.
The identification project started earlier this year and I found identifying through the months so one or two every few days has been easier than trying to do it on one hit. I've also tried to learn what health benefits etc each plant has which help remembering.

It's a small world, I'm guessing that I saw you yesterday.

 

[awarner]

Possibly if it was in the afternoon with my buddleia staff and pup in tow.
Good job I did the walk early as the pub was closing early as chef was ill.

 

[lou1661]

yes we did see you then, 4 people three dogs, nice looking pup you have.

 

[awarner]

Thanks, he certainly enjoyed the run around and getting tangled on his lead.

 

[awarner]

I found a more sizable cluster of the second one and so I think it may be Orache maybe more the common than the spear-leaved due to the more spikey leaf.
Still quite a straggler of a plant as it does not hold itself up very well.

 

[mark j lang]

first is definitely an orache and the second perhaps marsh mallow, although leaves don't seem quite right

 

[awarner]

Interestingly by the pub so not too far from these samples there is marsh mallow growing out of the river bank but at a much greater height and flowering. Hopefully I do not have to wait much longer for this to flower so perhaps the brackish water is hindering the growth especially with the recent spring tides, highest I have seen this summer.

Some of the earlier images are more mallow shaped so I'm wondering if the tidal water has affected the leaf growth as the plant by the pub is high on the bank and does not get any of the tidal brackish water.

On a side note I'm now a community warden for the area for the National Trust so fun with the upkeep of the woods and the constant battle with cyclists who choose to ignore the no cycling signs and are currently wrecking the woodland creating new tracks etc.

 

[awarner]

And they have just started to flower at long last.