Tree ID needed..

[redneck]

Don't know what this is, the fruit is about 10 mm in diameter, yellow orange in colour and the seeds are white. The bark is a grey colour and the leaves are dark glossy green on top, toothed, with a whiteish underneath and a reddish colour midrib. I've contacted a number of professional organisations looking for an ID and they've all come back with a different answer.. Can any of you guys help?

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[Blundstoned Love]

Rosaceae for sure, but it's a huge family - any thorns, spikes etc.?

 

[redneck]

nope...no thorns at all..

 

[Quixoticgeek]

Where is it growing? It looks very much like a rose of some kind.

J

 

[chimpy leon]

I was going to say some kind of Sorbus species but to be honest I'm baffled by this one.

 

[slowworm]

I would have said some kind of Crataegus (hawthorn) and a bit of a google shows something like Crataegus mexicana has similar leaves and stems.

 

[redneck]

It's growing in mixed deciduous woodland, there's a couple of the trees close together .. It's definitely not any sort of rose and my initial thoughts were also a sorbus of some kind ( even thought orange whitebeam at one point) but this one is proving difficult even for the professional organisations!

 

[ledders666]

I would have said some kind of Crataegus (hawthorn) and a bit of a google shows something like Crataegus mexicana has similar leaves and stems.

I would have thought similar.

Can you get more photos of the leaf top side and underside, the buds on smaller twigs, and double check the ends of some twigs for thorns, picture of the bark to?

 

[HillBill]

Looks like a thornless hawthorn, but the berries look washed out, like they were red, or never ripened fully

 

[redneck]

Crataegus Mexicana has brown or black seeds in the fruit, these seeds are white .. Though it is hawthorn like.. The fruit had all split open but has a haw texture inside

 

[Trencakey]

Check the top right picture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Crataegus,_various_species,_fruit.jpg

 

[slowworm]

Mexicana was just a bit of a guess, the pics of the fruit I've seen don't seem to have the flush of pink to be an exact match, There's a large number of different hawthorns though and I expect many cross so it could be a hybrid even.

 

[redneck]

Check the top right picture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Crataegus,_various_species,_fruit.jpg

That is actually a possibility , it's probably the closest looky likely yet ... But what variety was that one ?

 

[slowworm]

Crataegus punctata var. aurea according to the text at the bottom of the pic. (Not sure the leaves match though).

 

[ozzy1977]

What did the Pro's think it is, and are we anywhere near?

 

[Mouse040]

Did the leaves change colour at all ??

 

[redneck]

Nope, some thought pyracantha but it doesn't have thorns, some thought a type of crab apple (malus), but no one really has any idea.. I've one guy who's going to get back to me after the weekend as he wants to show the pics to some prof or other, so I haven't given up hope yet, but it seems to be a real mind stomper!!

But I'm really thinking about the Cretaegus punctata that slowworm mentioned above, it's the closest I have seen and although the leaves are not absolutely identical, allowing for regional variations, I really think he's nailed it.

 

[ozzy1977]

I was goi g to ask about pyracantha, but if it has no spikes thats out them.