Touching Video: Tribes meets white man for the first time

[ArkAngel]

It was interesting to see the effect of the meeting but i can't help agreeing with BR that as soon as it happens it's the beginning of the end for the tribe.

These days i see little that is "civilized" about our world:tapedshut

 

[Kerne]

I can understand the reaction of BR and others - I'm with Gandhi : when he arrived in England and was asked what he thought of civilisation and is is reported to have said "I think it would be a good idea."

On the other hand, there is a charm in the reaction of the tribe to the people they encountered. At least those who "discovered" them were sympathetic, better than having their territory bulldozed by a multinational.

 

[British Red]

Mmm it is tricky.

A wise man once said to me

"Settled men become unsettled and need new frontiers. Sadly the frontiers have no such need"

Red

 

[Tengu]

"...No other tribes in the region were known to live like he did, digging holes inside of huts—more than five feet deep, rectangular, serving no apparent purpose....On one occasion, the Indian delivered a clear message to one agent who pushed the attempts at contact too far: an arrow to the chest...In one jungle clearing they found the bulldozed ruins of several huts, each featuring the exact same kind of hole—14 in all—that the lone Indian customarily dug inside his dwellings. They concluded that it had been the site of his village, and that it had been destroyed by land-hungry settlers in early 1996..."

He is probably autistic.

Reminds me of some of the holy men of India. They have no contact with people (but get food left out for them)

A Nice job if you cant socialise. Better than being made normal

 

[Ian S]

He is probably autistic.

Huh??!

So his tribe has suffered a monumentally disasterous meeting with 'civilisation,' he's the only survivor, he's probably terrified of a repeat of that meeting, he tries to live as he has always lived, he wants to stay away from strangers and tries to defend himself as best he can, and you say he's probably autistic.

I'm sorry, but I find that statement trivialises a catastrophe.

 

[Tengu]

Ishi did well enough, didnt he?

Normal humans have a very strong urge to socialise, even if briefly. This urge can be stronger than fear.

It takes very extreeme motivation to live in isolation.

I'm sorry, but I find that statement trivialises a catastrophe.

I find your statement trivialises autism.

 

[Opal]

We all know the consequences but yer still can't get away from the look of awe on the faces of these people, amazing. I was glued to this short vid as my wife chatted away to me after me coming in after my shift tonight, totally oblivious to her, by the time the vid finished, I realised she had gone to bed, what joy.

Thanks for the vid, Tobe.

 

[shortymcsteve]

[video=youtube;BDvhVItiBFs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDvhVItiBFs[/video]

Here is the original video, with commentary and sound

 

[Ian S]

I find your statement trivialises autism.

How so? The chance of me getting a formal diagnosis at age 40 is unlikely, but I probably have Asperger's syndrome.

I don't see how someone trying to stay alive and keep safe after having their life turned upside down and inside out can be labelled as 'probably autistic.' I'd suspect more like constant, constant fear, bordering on terror.

 

[Tengu]

A person wouldnt survive very long with such a mindset.

A person who had a series of consistent bad experiences with other people might go into seclusion

You can get a diagnosis if you so wish. It took me three years though,

 

[HarrogateTobias]

Felt the same way. Reminded me of the Ihalmiut. First we gave them presents, then we gave them our diseases. Then we forced them to adopt our culture. How long before their descendents will all be living in flats, mowing lawns, and wishing they had more time to do bushcraft.

so true.. its funny how we want the things we cant have, us and them.

 

[Andy BB]

Pity the video's been removed - sounds interesting.

But as far as the "they have a better life than we do" posts, oh dear.............But nicely expressed on your computer, transmitted to the rest of the world via internet, courtesy of the whole panoply of scientific discoveries over the last few millennia.

Amazing how many hate "civilisation" until they or their family catch an illness or suffer a disease that needs modern medicine to correct, and the ambulance to take them to hospital, or the x-ray machines etc to diagnose the problem, or the surgical techniques to replace a diseased hip - the list is endless. How many have children that have survived courtesy of modern medicine - a major change in infant mortality over the "noble savage"? How many enjoy visiting other parts of the world (even if they do wild-camp when they get there Take malaria pills to stop a disease that still kill millions each year? Glad that their camping in Norway, for example, hasn't resulted in being slaughtered by the local populace as outsiders?

Reality is that you and I have never had it so good.