Most cars here have dedicated headlight mode for day time. It works. There is a problem though, the one not using lights is just not noticed. It does cause a few accidents as people are used to looking for the lights.
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Motorcycle Action Group got involved in this when they were trying to legislate motorbikes to have permanent lighting. The main proponents trying to drive this thru' were the car manufacturers, as it reduces their manufacturing costs.
The quality of claimed research and conclusions drawn from it were a bit suspect. Especially the USA one quoted above, seems to have been funded by the motor industry...
The US data on drivers and vehicles is not generally applicable to the rest of the world, although they would like it to be. They are basically crap drivers, fall asleep or drink/drive/drugs more. The US "safety" research is being used to justify autonomous cars in the UK/EU, there is no such data or evidence in the UK or EU to support this.
The Australian study on all permanent lights on research highlighted this, not that there was no accident reduction, but that it is much lower than most of the "safety" folk want to claim.
They also tried to apply car driving stats to motorbikes, which simply does not work. To date I'm not aware of any valid research post-legislation to valdidate the claimed reductions, or on motorbike safety with lights on.
I ride both older bikes with light switches and new without. I've had more grief with the lights on from annoyed drivers who think I am flashing them or it blinds them when behind them (as the headlight is higher than on a car), and no noticeable benefit or difference from riding with light off. Basically if the driver is not paying attention nothing make a difference. Ditto wearing hi-vis, although in peak rush hour hi vis seems to get them to back-off a little bit when following behind me.
The quality of claimed research and conclusions drawn from it were a bit suspect. Especially the USA one quoted above, seems to have been funded by the motor industry...
The US data on drivers and vehicles is not generally applicable to the rest of the world, although they would like it to be. They are basically crap drivers, fall asleep or drink/drive/drugs more. The US "safety" research is being used to justify autonomous cars in the UK/EU, there is no such data or evidence in the UK or EU to support this.
The Australian study on all permanent lights on research highlighted this, not that there was no accident reduction, but that it is much lower than most of the "safety" folk want to claim.
They also tried to apply car driving stats to motorbikes, which simply does not work. To date I'm not aware of any valid research post-legislation to valdidate the claimed reductions, or on motorbike safety with lights on.
I ride both older bikes with light switches and new without. I've had more grief with the lights on from annoyed drivers who think I am flashing them or it blinds them when behind them (as the headlight is higher than on a car), and no noticeable benefit or difference from riding with light off. Basically if the driver is not paying attention nothing make a difference. Ditto wearing hi-vis, although in peak rush hour hi vis seems to get them to back-off a little bit when following behind me.
I do have one issue with daytime running lights - I forget to turn on the proper headlights on occasion!
To justify this, my car doesn't have DRLs but the wife's does. In the evening I quite often use her car for ferrying the kids around. There have been at least four times when I've been driving and either someone else has pointed out or I've realised that I've not turned the lights on properly. The first time it happened I didn't think it would happen again but....
To justify this, my car doesn't have DRLs but the wife's does. In the evening I quite often use her car for ferrying the kids around. There have been at least four times when I've been driving and either someone else has pointed out or I've realised that I've not turned the lights on properly. The first time it happened I didn't think it would happen again but....
I think the assymmetry of the clock changes is possibly related to the fact that in the UK grround, air and sea temps tend to be greater not on the longest day but a couple of months later.
If the clock changes are related to farming then it makes sense to give more light when the earth is warmer for growing and as plantss get closer to cropping or to the point they need more intervention then there is more hours of daylight. Or something liike that. I have no idea if there is any logic to that but it crept into my mind and into this post for consideration of others.
If the clock changes are related to farming then it makes sense to give more light when the earth is warmer for growing and as plantss get closer to cropping or to the point they need more intervention then there is more hours of daylight. Or something liike that. I have no idea if there is any logic to that but it crept into my mind and into this post for consideration of others.
If you cut a foot from the end of a blanket that's too short and sew it to the top, is your blanket a foot longer?
Teabags?! No self respecting teadrinker use teabags. Loose tea brewed in a pot is the only option.
About summer/wintertime: I don´t like it. Keep the wintertime (normaltime) and forget about the changing twice a year.
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Well yes, I do agree, I have a nice one cup tea thingy and loose tea at home, and a thing you put over your cup when you pour the tea pot to catch the leaves (Strainer?)
But when out wild camping I just use tea bags for convenience, or instant (shudder) coffee
Nope.
Xylis coffee cup (cafetière in a mug)
Or
“Brew Tea Co” Individual teapot. Loose leaf tea with strainer built in.
It’s Pyrex but it’s bounced a couple of times.
My beverage of choice is entirely unaffected by clock changes.
Xylis coffee cup (cafetière in a mug)
Or
“Brew Tea Co” Individual teapot. Loose leaf tea with strainer built in.
It’s Pyrex but it’s bounced a couple of times.
My beverage of choice is entirely unaffected by clock changes.
There's a good reason for this which I have experienced myself. On a bright sunny day I was driving down a narrow lane which I drive daily, approaching a tree covered area I couldn't see the car coming towards me due to my eyes having adjusted to the bright light. No incident occurred but if the car had lights on it would have been more visible. As a biker too I was told it was good practice to have the lights on all the time.
Lighting up time was still being mentioned on the radio news/weather in my childhood, 1970s.
The UK has only had a single, unified time setting since 1880.
What a balanced forum this is @Chris
I totally disagree!
The sun will back in its proper place and I can enjoy the long dark evenings by a fire, whether it’s the open hearth in the front room or the flickering of a bush TV.
As a retiree the hands on the clock don’t really matter of course but I do still have to coordinate with others to some extent.
I tend to refer to the period between middle of November middle of February as “My Time”. It’s when my brain really wakes up and gets creative. Low golden sunlight flickering through leafless black trees has a profound joy for me.
I don’t suffer SAD. It has been suggested that I have a natural excess of serotonin but I think that is just complicating a simple enjoyment of the dark times. (I used to enjoy night shifts too.)
I totally disagree!
The sun will back in its proper place and I can enjoy the long dark evenings by a fire, whether it’s the open hearth in the front room or the flickering of a bush TV.
As a retiree the hands on the clock don’t really matter of course but I do still have to coordinate with others to some extent.
I tend to refer to the period between middle of November middle of February as “My Time”. It’s when my brain really wakes up and gets creative. Low golden sunlight flickering through leafless black trees has a profound joy for me.
I don’t suffer SAD. It has been suggested that I have a natural excess of serotonin but I think that is just complicating a simple enjoyment of the dark times. (I used to enjoy night shifts too.)
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What a balanced forum this is @Chris
I totally disagree!
Right, that’s it. Pistols at dawn! (Which will be an hour earlier from Sunday)
I think when working in an office the clocks going back was especially painful, because every non-working hour was darkness. Every working hour was fluorescent lighting. Working from home did help that a little, as it helped with many other things.
A flickering fire definitely helps the darker days and in our next house, a fireplace or a wood stove is a must.
I enjoy the change in seasons (more perhaps than the seasons themselves 
), and I like the resets brought by changing the clocks - kind of emotional really. But, as above, it doesn't matter unless you work or live in a city.
Here it is has become politicized over the years as a talking point for career politicos on the right (often themselves entirely metropolitan in their histories and interests), who like to borrow and align with farmers' complaints.
I have had those complaints explained to me and still don't understand them. However, I have never had an actual farmer explain the worries and I kind of wonder if they aren't sort of manufactured by people who aren't actual farmers ... just something to talk about
), and I like the resets brought by changing the clocks - kind of emotional really. But, as above, it doesn't matter unless you work or live in a city.Here it is has become politicized over the years as a talking point for career politicos on the right (often themselves entirely metropolitan in their histories and interests), who like to borrow and align with farmers' complaints.
I have had those complaints explained to me and still don't understand them. However, I have never had an actual farmer explain the worries and I kind of wonder if they aren't sort of manufactured by people who aren't actual farmers ... just something to talk about
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Well that’s fine with me. If “dawn” is an official time we’ll miss each other by two hours.
I’m having an extra hour in bed in Sunday.
Spring Forward, Fall Back.
At the darkest part of year (end of december) in Finland the sun rise around 10 o´clock and set around 14 o´clock. But usually we have snow then so it is a lot more light than in november when it usually is cloudy and rainy.
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