Suffolk Bushcraft Group Daniel Boone Challenge 20th and 21st September 2013

SJStuart

Settler
Jan 22, 2013
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Suffolk Coast
Speaking for myself (ofc) but I was far from cold (in fact, I was sweating a lot last night)

Really enjoyed my time, even the walks between sites despite the weight!

Would certainly do it again (with less weight), but first I need to rest and recover :)
 

Big Stu 12

Bushcrafter through and through
Jan 7, 2012
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Ipswich
You certainly scored with the weather, I think it would have been a different story earlier on in the week

I think that did Make a real difference, we was very lucky with it, I am now interested about looking into may be giving it a go later in the year...lol..

And I am thinking about seeing if I can use a couple of other woods, and doing a longer one, as the walk and the pitching and striking of camp made a real difference, but will leave that until say May time
 

Albus Culter

Maker
Jan 14, 2013
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West Yorkshire
Just a big thanks for a great weekend. What a fantastic group with brilliant people.

The weather was in the fortunate side and the kit stood up well. Lessons to be learned and kit to be pared down further I think. Especially food.

You have a great site there and the nice amble between sites made a great change to the norm.

All that said I'm really apreaciating a sofa and a shower :)
 

crosslandkelly

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Jun 9, 2009
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Thought I was taking pics, but it seem the camera was set to video.
Simons success at a bow drill ember to nest, and Andors successful bow drill flame.

[video=youtube;UzaI4CKCqiQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzaI4CKCqiQ[/video]

Sorry mate, I meant to post it here first. Too many Boones.:p
 

Big Stu 12

Bushcrafter through and through
Jan 7, 2012
6,028
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Ipswich
Just a big thanks for a great weekend. What a fantastic group with brilliant people.

The weather was in the fortunate side and the kit stood up well. Lessons to be learned and kit to be pared down further I think. Especially food.

You have a great site there and the nice amble between sites made a great change to the norm.

All that said I'm really apreaciating a sofa and a shower :)

Thats ok Mate your welcome, it was a pleasure to meet you.. I know what you mean about the shower and sofa, lol
 

Andor

Member
Jun 21, 2012
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Cambridge
Thank you Stu for organising the ChallengeI. I had a great two days and looking forward to the next one.
It was great to meet you all, and I am hoping to see you again soon. I believe Stu is already has something on his mind:)

I created a private album with some photos from the last two days. You should all have an access to it. Please let me know if not so. I will post some photos on the thread tommorow too.

Off to bed now...
 

Big Stu 12

Bushcrafter through and through
Jan 7, 2012
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Ipswich
I believe Stu is already has something on his mind:)

I created a private album with some photos from the last two days. Off to bed now...

You are right Andor, after the Chat that went on and sleeping on it, the feeling is this..

Four nights... in three places, night 1 and 4 in the main Permision, and nights 2 and 3 in two different woods, thats if I can get the permision, that would may be say end of May.... :)..

And I am thinking about a winter one Saturday nighter at the Permision in November ... just to push teh bounderys
 
Photos to follow but my thinking on the stuff i took-
1 far too much i could of been comfortable with less of everything.
2 my canvas tarp is too big for just me, would of worked well for if the rain had been with us as albus could of shared, a smaller one would of meant less weight (mine didnt weigh that much but every bit counts towards end weight)
3 i could reduce the cook kit if i had catered for just myself rather than sharing cooking duties with albus.
4 i took too much food, i should of thought longer and harder about the amount of items i took, rather than pack a whole chorizo i could of only packed half for example,
5 water is an essential item and rationing it isnt fun
6 axe is unessential we managed fine with just breaking larger sticks, a small fire definitely helped in this
7 i could of pressed my poncho modified blanket into use for around the fire rather than taking a swannie that only got used as a pillow.
8 i didnt need to take a project (spoon) with me socialising was sufficient for me, although had we stuck to splitting into smaller groups it would of been needed i think.
9 getting grub cooked and eaten before dark amkes it easier when not using a head torch.
10 candle light is ok for genreal illumination, tea lights cast a nice ambient light when under a small tarp but dinner table style candles are better for larger areas.
i can think of more but ill save it for my own write up
 

SJStuart

Settler
Jan 22, 2013
997
2
Suffolk Coast
Lessons I learned (mostly about weight):

1a) 10ft x 12ft tarp is far too large. 10ft along the ridge is just fine, but I could easily have gotten away with just 6ft across the ridge for ground dwelling (with a 3ft ridge height and 3ft across the base). This would effectively half the weight of the tarp. Also, having now weighed the tarp, I've discovered that - with my additional wax coating - it works out as being 19oz canvas instead of 16oz as post-proofing stock!

1b) With the weather we had over this weekend (even if it had rained the entire time, the temperature was still well above freezing and the wind was practically nil) a canvas tarp isn't necessary at all. A light-weight nylon tarp would've been more than sufficient (probably the DD 3x3)

2) I didn't need to take the full med kit. I could easily have paired it down to about a quarter of the supplies I keep in there, especially given that we each bring our own med kit, so even should the worst have happened... between the lot of us there'd have been ample medical supplies to take care of it. I believe I could lose at least 1KG from my med kit when not doing a solo.

3) At this time of year, I could do without the sleeping bag if I just add a medium-weight blanket to complement the light-weight wool blanket I have currently. This would eliminate some of the bulk, and save at least 1.5KG in weight. It'd also enable me to carry a smaller pack (or basically just have a compact bedroll attached to my webbed gear)

4) I don't need to carry the full Zebra kit. I could just have easily done with two of the Tatonka mugs, one on the top of my 40oz canteen, one on the bottom. That way I'd have a pan to cook in while also having a cup to drink out of. This would save the better part of 1KG.

5) The wooden spoon (while light) is bulky and unnecessary. My long-handled titanium spoon is actually lighter and far more compact.

6) The grill was very useful... so that's staying!

7) I packed far more food than I actually needed. I could've gotten away with just a third of that (saving more than 4KG)

8) I need to add a wire brush to my cook kit... so that I can deal with burned cookware as sadly happened to my Zebra on the Friday night :(

9) I have now replaced the large bottle of alcohol wash in my cook kit with a nice small bottle such as the one I carry in my med kit. This saves a little over 800g in weight.

10) I have now found and packed my lighter-weight wool pullover instead of the thicker, heavier fleece one I brought this weekend. It has a better thermal protection value, weighs less, and takes up far less space.

11) Instead of bringing the full-length Thermarest, I should've just brought the three-quarter length. It would provide the necessary padding for my back, but taken far less space and about two-thirds the weight in the pack.

12) I brought 4 large squares of my home-made Hudson Bay Bread... I only ate two. They're very weighty and dense, so from now on I'll just bring the two.

13) A lot of the smaller items in my pack (such as the "snack" foods) would be better distributed on my person in various pockets, rather than carried along with the meal weight on my back.

14) I brought two knives, when really I should just practice more with the ESEE for intricate carving (until I am satisfied with my axe proficiency) so that I need only carry that one... and I should always carry the knife and folding saw on my belt instead of in the pack.

15) The Bergen itself (while usually quite comfortable to carry, despite my back problems, thanks to the adjustable suspension system) is very weighty even when empty. Trying to get my gear so that it carries comfortably on my harness system would be a significant weight saving in itself.

16) Rather than trying to judge the carry comfort of a pack by simply putting it on and walking around the house for 5 minutes, I should do at least a half mile walk with the pack... because most of the discomfort will occur after the first several hundred yards of walking. If it's comfortable for a 1-mile round trip.... then that's sufficiently comfortable imho.

17) I need to seriously think about whether it's worth carrying the video camera equipment at all, and when deciding to take it... I should get it down to the most basic kit adequately packed into a pocket on the bag... rather than taking the entire case. It's not a heavy kit, but the case adds a lot of weight and bulk. While I did record one short video over the weekend, it really didn't justify lugging the entire kit around.

18) I need to reinvest in a water bladder, because the plastic bottle was bulky and annoying. With my harness setup, I could easily attach a 3 litre bladder without breaking the bank on carry comfort. The 4 litres I had on the Friday (3 in the plastic bottle, 1 in the stainless canteen) was very sufficient for a day or two's supply.

19) I brought far more cordage than I ever would've needed. Admittedly, 100ft of Paracord in my Bergen I didn't even know was in there (because it's the same colour as the Bergen so I simply never saw it when going through the kit). Even so, the oversized ridgeline I made is far (far) longer than I'd ever need... so I'm cutting that down to half the size (which is still longer than most pitches I'd ever consider using, but not to the point of being "stupidly huge")

If any of you other boonie goonies have any thoughts on ways to improve the kit I brought with me, please feel free to chime in :)
 

Big Stu 12

Bushcrafter through and through
Jan 7, 2012
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Ipswich
Its quite interesting seeing what people are comming up with, and many lesons learnt from the group as a whole, quite a few are how do we cut down the stuff we take... be it for weight or do we really want the bulk...

My feelings are that weight is not nessacery the problem , but stuff you do not NEED, is the biggest culpurt in the over view, the one thing that did come up in my thoughts and did come up as a discussion over the fire/kit chats was spoonage... I took a wooden spoon that I have carved at an eariler meet, this did well for me, I did wonder if I should take the crook knife and make one... then do I need the Axe to rough one out.. it goes on... then the thougt is how historicly correct do I go... do I take a Ti spoon as its light.... and I am only using boil in bags..

So many questions still to be answered.....

I thinking to get the closest feel to what they used to go through is very hard in just two nights in the UK, but doing the challenge has made me more aware, or what I need, and has hightened my interest in finding out more and to practice my skills in that direction...

Andor suggested making an 18thC group up, as there seemed an interest, myself for one not nessercery would be interested in going full on LARP, but to know the skills ect, and to practice them on a meet aimed at that period, I feel is of benifit, as at normal meet this gets watered down as it is not the focus...as its not of interest to a number of attendees

Saying that I think it would help most people to give it a go.....

I ve done the 15 and less type things before, I think this Challenge has answered, rasied, and challanged more question for me then the 15 or less type ones...
 
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For me its not weight per se. Its what I take.
a wooden spoon covered all my eating needs. Not light in itself but I wasnt carrying knife fork spoon long handled spoon just one item to eat with.
I had a compact digital camera which sufficed for pics.
If I was just interested I savin weight I wouldn't go the boone route. A lighter works for lighting a fire and as a smoker I have at least two so why fuss with flint and steel.
Definitely more questions/thinking provoked by this than fifteen or less challenges ive done
 

copper_head

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Feb 22, 2006
4,261
1
Hull
This is a great thread, you guys should be well proud of the amount of research you put into the Boonie gear and foods. I'm really going to have to revisit the DBC with a bit more thought put into my kit.

Looking forward to your write up Sam... (ie come on type faster ;)!)
 

Big Stu 12

Bushcrafter through and through
Jan 7, 2012
6,028
4
Ipswich
This is a great thread, you guys should be well proud of the amount of research you put into the Boonie gear and foods. I'm really going to have to revisit the DBC with a bit more thought put into my kit.

Looking forward to your write up Sam... (ie come on type faster ;)!)

LOL yeah I cant wait... love the thoughts and findings of others,

Thank you Copperhead, when I set the next one, you'll have to join in as it looks like there is the interest, :)
 

copper_head

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Feb 22, 2006
4,261
1
Hull
LOL yeah I cant wait... love the thoughts and findings of others,

Thank you Copperhead, when I set the next one, you'll have to join in as it looks like there is the interest, :)

Sounds great Stu, I'd be up for that dates dependant :).
 

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