Yes I see your point. Its the hunting for entertainment I feel would be shameful. I agree farmers are being paid to give us the meat.
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Yes I see your point. Its the hunting for entertainment I feel would be shameful. I agree farmers are being paid to give us the meat.
But...beautiful woodlands are preserved as "cover" for game birds. These are all eaten but the shooters (tossers to a man) shoot mainly for sport - at a cost of >£1,000 per gun, per day. Raptors, deer, badger, fox, weasels and others get to live in these woods too. I get the immense privilege on living on such an estate.
The owner has told me that, as soon as the shooting stops, he clear fells the trees for timber, grubs out the roots and plants a cash crop. He has to make a living after all.
Is that what we want?
Not me - they preserve beautiful natural landscapes with their sport. As fishemen do the rivers. Not my bag but damn it all I will fight tooth and nail to prevent another farm going under and having to grow mono culture arable crops for PC tree huggers. The result of such growth is more woodland removed and more habitat destroyed.
Red
The owner has told me that, as soon as the shooting stops, he clear fells the trees for timber, grubs out the roots and plants a cash crop. He has to make a living after all.
Is that what we want?
Not me - they preserve beautiful natural landscapes with their sport. As fishemen do the rivers. Not my bag but damn it all I will fight tooth and nail to prevent another farm going under and having to grow mono culture arable crops for PC tree huggers. The result of such growth is more woodland removed and more habitat destroyed.
Red
Beautiful woodlands may be preserved as "cover" for game birds in a lot of cases but this is not true in all. I live close to longleat (http://www.longleat.co.uk/) and center parks (also located in the Forest) and they seem to do well on the tourist trade.
So your choices are:
Game shooting (with woodland)
or entire woodland ripped out and wheat fields.
This is the very real choice faced by this farm (50 or so miles from you)
Vote now.............
Game shooting (with woodland)
or entire woodland ripped out and wheat fields.
This is the very real choice faced by this farm (50 or so miles from you)
Vote now.............
Well If we can only have two options then I will have to say...Game shooting (with woodland). At least the wildlife has some hope.
My point exactly 
I can't see the point personally - the same as I can't see the point in crushing lumps of metal through a sentient beings face (aka angling). But anglers keep rivers clean and shooters keep woodland and wild habitat.
Townies just whitter and whinge but wont pay thousands of pounds each to manitain wild lands.
So - given the choice - the tweedies can shoot here and keep working men on the land, trees instead of sterile cereal crops, and wonderful natural habitat.
If they shoot a few stupid birds like chinese pheasant and red legged grouse (that are bred and released for the purpose and are imports anyway) - so be it.
Red
I can't see the point personally - the same as I can't see the point in crushing lumps of metal through a sentient beings face (aka angling). But anglers keep rivers clean and shooters keep woodland and wild habitat.
Townies just whitter and whinge but wont pay thousands of pounds each to manitain wild lands.
So - given the choice - the tweedies can shoot here and keep working men on the land, trees instead of sterile cereal crops, and wonderful natural habitat.
If they shoot a few stupid birds like chinese pheasant and red legged grouse (that are bred and released for the purpose and are imports anyway) - so be it.
Red
bloody hell, this thread could give cocodomol a headache. I think everyones views are clear, neither are going to convert either side so can the subject be dropped
Blimey Rob, what a great post!
Genuinely - thank you!
The answer is YES! I'll put a more detailed post on in a minute but what a fantastic question ...I'll post more in a moment
Red
Okay answer one. Trophy hunting is...not black and white.
A great example is..big game. There are over populations of "big 5" animals in game reserves.
Now here are two choices.
One - rangers "cull" herds. This depletes old males and controls herds.
Poor starving people will still hunt elephants for ivory with AK47s of course.
Or you can let some rich pillock hunt the animals to be culled.
This lets them take a trophy. It also encourages the local population to protect those "trophy" animals as they are woth far more as trophies than they are are on the black market for ivory. Literally poachers become gamekeepers.
IF the money is ploughed into the local economy and the value of protecting game is directly reflected into the provision of food, schools and healthcare, (as well as species protection) then its fine in my book
Red
A great example is..big game. There are over populations of "big 5" animals in game reserves.
Now here are two choices.
One - rangers "cull" herds. This depletes old males and controls herds.
Poor starving people will still hunt elephants for ivory with AK47s of course.
Or you can let some rich pillock hunt the animals to be culled.
This lets them take a trophy. It also encourages the local population to protect those "trophy" animals as they are woth far more as trophies than they are are on the black market for ivory. Literally poachers become gamekeepers.
IF the money is ploughed into the local economy and the value of protecting game is directly reflected into the provision of food, schools and healthcare, (as well as species protection) then its fine in my book
Red
Be very careful as to source
Some terms are really, really confusing
"free range" is better than "egg", in turn, "barn reared" is better than "egg" but not as good as "free range".
Right so free range means happy chickens wandering about in a nice field yes? NO!
Look up the meaning of the term (legally). Organic free range is far better!
Better yet, find a local producer. Go look at their chooks. Are they out and about? Do they have nice roosts?
Can you raise a couple yourself?
If you can, I'll provide al the books etc. you need!
I prefer duck eggs - and I'm lucky enough to source from a local lass who keeps me suppied - lovely eggs - far better yolk content ...great with soldiers!
As for other animals - dairy will make you weep!
Pigs - should be UK bred and outdoor reared- still not great but better than most
What else can I tell you?
Red
oh no... i meen, we keep chickens as it is they are free to run about in the garden all they want...
what im thinking about is helping stop factory farming
because its pretty much impossiable... right?
what im thinking about is helping stop factory farming
because its pretty much impossiable... right?
Well I suppose you could try to affect legislation and regulations, try to cause a sea-change in public opinion and remove the market for intensively-produced food, get stinking rich and buy all such farms and shut them down, or join a terrorist organisation that claims it's interested in animal welfare. I don't recommend the latter and the rest are far from likely to succeed.
Unfortunately there are some things we don't like that we just have to live with.
conventional cages in battery farms will be banned in the EU from 2012. All battery farms will have to start using 'enriched cages'. Its not perfect but its a step in the right direction. Next we can lobby for a minimum of free range standard.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/2008/...l-cages-for-egg-laying-hens-to-go-in-2012.htm
It'd be good if we could convince the general population that we don't all have to eat meat every day. That would also take a bit of the pressure off.
I'm not a deer hunter, but I have heard of Albino's being left in Scottish herds to make the herd easier to spot from a distance on the hills.
Strange that there's such a negative attitude towards battery chickens, when the battery rabbit still appears to be quite popular!
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