Simon E said:
What an utterly depressing topic, it seems to me now, that we might as well just join the rank and file consumer and just selfishly consume and destroy what we feel like.
Well, that is one response, and not an entirely irrational one. But what are you going to tell your grandkids?
Simon E said:
I too hadnt really wanted to get drawn into this as topics of this nature rarely stay calm for long. I have said my piece and I will have to digest gregs energy info.I can say though that it has given me a much more pessimistic outlook and I am starting to question a lot of the things that it now seems that I have wasted my time on.
Time is never wasted, and the abandonment of apparently easy, flawed "solutions" is the first step on the road to real solutions. It's only
really bad if you think that universal car ownership, regular foreign holidays, endless economic "growth", and lots of consumer toys are
essential for life to be worthwhile.
Personally, I'm becoming increasingly convinced that all those things are in fact detrimental (or at least have detrimental aspects) and that the sort of changes we need to make to achieve a genuinely sustainable society are also the sorts of changes that will help people feel less alienated from each other and disillusioned with life in general. Sure,
getting there is probably going to be a rough ride, but then again we have been living in exceptional luxury compared to the rest of the human race throught history...