Royal Mail Restricted Items-Tomahawk

[Samon]

wrong. the spike hawk was adapted as a weapon by first nation Americans and recently during the Vietnam war and even in the very recent middle East conflicts. you need to check your history facts bud. no matter what you use it for it's purpose was as a weapon. a bayonet can be used as a letter opener but it is still a weapon.

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Bull'!

Regardless of history, and its adaption by primitive nations its only a weapon if you intend to use it as one.

If that's your mentality then whatever, but on those tracks you'd end up calling any rock, stick and pokey thing a weapon because years ago some cave men used them as such.

I'm sure the tomahawk in question has no intention of being used as a weapon, so let's use that ideology instead the other one. For the sake of any of our integrity!

 

[widu13]

If only I had had this today! Thanks

Yep, RM and individual interpretations are a PITA. My work uses RM for some stuff but commando daggers and the like always go by courier.

You might find a cheaper courier in any case to collect from your door and they are MUCH less fussy and non judgmental!

 

[Robbi]

Guys,

I really think we are making things difficult for ourselves, I have posted out many many knives, machetes, axes and even a break down hawk, my local post office has what has to be the nosyest woman in the whole wide world, she always always asks what's in the parcel,........ I always reply " camping equipment" and I've never had a problem.

Why would you want to antagonise a jobsworth ? Keep them sweet and life is much easier.

 

[Nice65]

I Just make sure you see a different person next time and tell them it's a tool.

Or tell them they're a tool. My nearest Post Office is at the Weald and Downland museum. They supply Gransfors to people all over the country. I've never had an item questioned after telling them what it is. Declare it as garden equipment, outdoors equipment, camping equipment.

What you don't have to do is actually say what it is, simply declare it is not on the prohibited list. If you get some growler on the desk who insists (and some do, though it's not within their rights), just tell them it's a sex toy. Batteries are allowed for postage once installed. This will be your backup, they quiet down.

I'm not condoning trying to post restricted goods, but I am getting annoyed at the PO staff getting a bit above their station.

 

[widu13]

Bull'!

Regardless of history, and its adaption by primitive nations its only a weapon if you intend to use it as one.

If that's your mentality then whatever, but on those tracks you'd end up calling any rock, stick and pokey thing a weapon because years ago some cave men used them as such.

I'm sure the tomahawk in question has no intention of being used as a weapon, so let's use that ideology instead the other one. For the sake of any of our integrity!

Samon,

First and foremost;please don't address me in that manner. I find it rude and offensive and it is against the forum rules.

I won't bore with the legalities of the subject matter but some weapons always remain weapons in the eyes of the law. For instance; a flick knife. That is a fruit peeler, finger nail picker etc. It was never intended as a weapon but it is one nonetheless.

I am fully on board and in total agreement with RM keeping their nose out. Their rules are not law but they are THEIR rules that people agree to when you post via RM. They are entitled to ask what a parcel is and even entitled to open it and dispose of it once they accept possession of it, as you agree to this by using their service. As said, the trick is to tell them what they want to hear and not scare poor old Mrs Miggins who thinks that a crook knife will somehow transform into a triple bladed samauri sword with build in throwing stars that will be used to decimate the local population!

 

[Samon]

Samon,

First and foremost;please don't address me in that manner. I find it rude and offensive and it is against the forum rules.

I won't bore with the legalities of the subject matter but some weapons always remain weapons in the eyes of the law. For instance; a flick knife. That is a fruit peeler, finger nail picker etc. It was never intended as a weapon but it is one nonetheless.

I am fully on board and in total agreement with RM keeping their nose out. Their rules are not law but they are THEIR rules that people agree to when you post via RM. They are entitled to ask what a parcel is and even entitled to open it and dispose of it once they accept possession of it, as you agree to this by using their service. As said, the trick is to tell them what they want to hear and not scare poor old Mrs Miggins who thinks that a crook knife will somehow transform into a triple bladed samauri sword with build in throwing stars that will be used to decimate the local population!

English Oxford dictionary on 'weapon'.


A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.

I have tomahawks, designed for throwing. And I will not use them to harm anyone. Thus mine are not weapons. End of.

I haven't meant to offend you, obviously. And I haven't broken any rules I know of. If so please quote them and correct me so I can make the necessary alteration and apologies to the admin.

Other than that, ever changing law doesn't truly define anything. One minutes something legal, next it aint. So regarding your interpretation of legal definitions doesn't change those of our dictionary or common sense.

 

[widu13]

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45

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If you wish you may PM me so that the others aren't bothered by the bickering.

 

[ADz-1983]

To be fair I do not see any mention of axes or anything like that on the prohibited list.

 

[widu13]

To be fair I do not see any mention of axes or anything like that on the prohibited list.

They're not bud, just jobsworths at RM getting their knickers in a twist; usually because it doesn't fit in with their lifestyle or sensibilities.

 

[FGYT]

Their basic description in the weapons section is based in the legal definition of banned items so anything on the list as specially dangerous (sect 141 CJA) ie Flick knife Push dagger as a specific offensive weapon is not allowed ie thinks your not allowed to buy or sell any way

Section 1 and 2 Fire arms are allowed in the mail so the dictionary description of weapon or what one thing was is not applicable ie a No4 lee enfield rifle definitely was made as weapon but is fine as its legal in UK to own one and so you can post it

 

[Samon]

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45

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If you wish you may PM me so that the others aren't bothered by the bickering.

I've used foul language and behaviour?.. Right.


I purposely don't swear or act too much like a boob because I read a lot of the day threads and enjoy the input by other members.

Back on topic, are you going to go back to the po and correct them when they play silly?

 

[dwardo]

How does a wooden stick modified so it could kill a man at 200 yards fit into the rules ? :evilangel:

 

[decorum]

How does a wooden stick modified so it could kill a man at 200 yards fit into the rules ? :evilangel:

Until the string's tensioning it it's a stick on a leash (without a string, its a shapely stick)

 

[Corso]

EOD

Tomahawk
noun

light axe used as a tool or weapon by American Indians

just sayin

 

[Torak]

Guys-I really appreciate the advice the nub of which was my confusion around what was being defined as a weapon,to be honest its all very much open to interpretation.

I really didn't want to be breaking any laws around sending it and I am now happy that I'm not-in fact my perception is that the staff in the PO don't understand the rules as laid out but they were polite,which shallow as I am is a big thing in my book so I am prepared to forgive them but will probably use a courier anyway

Can we end this thread on a good note as an example of what a forum should be in that more experienced members offer sound advice to those with less knowledge.

Thanks

 

[British Red]

Given I posted the self same item Torak, the PO got my stock answer, which combines truth and accuracy (and I suspect I learned from the earlier poster who suggested it - thanks Mac)

"Nothing on the prohibited items list" (said with a smile)

Never had any further questions asked.

 

[Oakleaf]

No names nor pack drill - but I suspect that if the profit hungry Post Office suddenly 'lost' all of the recently ( and growing ) list of items they won't carry; then they'd fold - simple as that.

To be clear, I am not condoning any breach of statute nor rules nor trade terms - but believe that the number of items that would by strict interpretation be prohibited from carriage, that are in fact carried and paid for, keeps the organisation going.

Hypothetical, but one week of 'work to rule' by customers of the Royal Mail could be interesting...

 

[cranmere]

The Royal Snail has fairly recently introduced a whole new set of rules and the application of those rules seems to vary from one counter person to another. I recently had them refuse to take knitting needles despite the fact that they were packed in a plastic tube and could not puncture the packaging. I went back around the queue, got a different counter person and they accepted them with no problems.

 

[leon-1]

I don't send through royal mail a lot of the time especially when it's a weighty item like an axe or axes. I use a courier, it tends to be cheaper and faster.

Incidentally I travel a lot by train and whilst doing so I was stopped by one of the train gaurds as I was getting off the train to be informed that the axe strapped to the side of my bergan was an "Offensive Weapon" and should have been packed inside my Bergan.

I informed him that it was infact a work tool and the reason that it was not inside my bergan was that it was a good 8 inches taller than my bergan was.

He however insisted that in the future "The Offensive Weapon" be packed inside my bergan.

These are the perceptions of modern people in British Society, they see weapons where they should be seeing purpose and the purpose of the tool is to cut.

 

[widu13]

I don't send through royal mail a lot of the time especially when it's a weighty item like an axe or axes. I use a courier, it tends to be cheaper and faster.

Incidentally I travel a lot by train and whilst doing so I was stopped by one of the train gaurds as I was getting off the train to be informed that the axe strapped to the side of my bergan was an "Offensive Weapon" and should have been packed inside my Bergan.

I informed him that it was infact a work tool and the reason that it was not inside my bergan was that it was a good 8 inches taller than my bergan was.

He however insisted that in the future "The Offensive Weapon" be packed inside my bergan.

These are the perceptions of modern people in British Society, they see weapons where they should be seeing purpose and the purpose of the tool is to cut.

Exactly. I remember my training for the military police, the scenerio was that you've just been called into a bar and there are a lot of angry squaddies inside holding pint pots. The question was, "What are they?" Someone spoke up, "weapons" the answer was, "No you berk, they're glasses in the hands of angry squaddies. They don't become a weapon until they're used as one"