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And would be known to dealers, would have things that might prove too interesting to burglars locked/hidden away responsibly, even maybe in a bank vault.
Weapons collecting is something I have very little experience with, (And always, I must stress, other peoples). but I certainly know the difference between a collector and someone who has stuff, ill intentioned or otherwise.
Collecting is a core part of Museology...Which is what I do, do.
Can anyone think up a legitimate reason (aside from collecting) to own a knuckleduster?
And would be known to dealers, would have things that might prove too interesting to burglars locked/hidden away responsibly, even maybe in a bank vault.
Weapons collecting is something I have very little experience with, (And always, I must stress, other peoples). but I certainly know the difference between a collector and someone who has stuff, ill intentioned or otherwise.
Collecting is a core part of Museology...Which is what I do, do.
Can anyone think up a legitimate reason (aside from collecting) to own a knuckleduster?
I'm still waiting to see exactly what he has done wrong. There's a huge number of people out there that collect all sorts of things from knives, to air rifles, pistols, etc. Having been to a few auctions selling such stuff I was surprised how many buyers there are and how much they pay.
As for licences, again we don't know what law was broken, was he even aware? Having seen knuckle dusters for sale a few years back I was rather surprised to see them for sale and I gather they were legally sold. If the law has recently changed how would the person know? This is one of my concerns with the zombie knife ban as there will be 1,000s of tools out there that are now illegal and plenty of people who've unknowingly broken the law.
And going back to the OP, there has been cases of people holding illegal firearms, used in crime, for their partners and only being given a suspended sentence.
As for licences, again we don't know what law was broken, was he even aware? Having seen knuckle dusters for sale a few years back I was rather surprised to see them for sale and I gather they were legally sold. If the law has recently changed how would the person know? This is one of my concerns with the zombie knife ban as there will be 1,000s of tools out there that are now illegal and plenty of people who've unknowingly broken the law.
And going back to the OP, there has been cases of people holding illegal firearms, used in crime, for their partners and only being given a suspended sentence.
He has breached both the Offensive Weapons Act and Firearms Act.
The laws weren’t ‘recently’ changed. Knuckledusters probably most recent one at 6 years ago, CS Gas has been illegal here for decades.
Why? Depends what you're collecting. I used to own around 12 air rifles at one time, none of which were antiques. I once had a large collection of knives and axes, but no antiques amongst them.
The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988
includes "a knuckleduster, that is, a band of metal or other hard material worn on one or more fingers, and designed to cause injury, and any weapon incorporating a knuckleduster".
I believe knuckledusters were made illegal to own as of a 2019 amendment to that Act, but I am happy to be corrected.
Do you have anything specific to the case, one report mentions CS gas, one mentions the knuckledusters. It seems he wasn't charged with one of them.
A quick look at past auction sales shows plenty of antique knuckledusters advertised and sold, including last year so I expect not all are banned. Was his one illegal?
The URL I posted is indeed the 2019 version, but you can use the slider at the top of the page to see the wording of the act going back to the original wording of 1988 as it was when came into force in January 1989.
The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988
Section 141 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 provides that any person who manufactures, sells or hires or offers for sale or hire, exposes or has in his possession for the purpose of sale or hire, or lends or gives to any other person, a weapon to which that section applies shall be guilty of an...
Quite right, the introductory paragraph includes the exception "other than weapons of those descriptions which are antiques for the purposes of this Schedule".
firesteels were not designed to cause injury.Sounds remarkably like a lot of the forged firesteels we see
I would be very concerned to see a firesteel made from BRASS....
....Very poor design there.
....Very poor design there.
No, a lot of people collect knives. They are not antiques. A lot of people collect all sorts of stuff that are not antique. Like royal mugs. Etc.
I worked in a company with a few dodgy people and at least one of them had his home raided with a larger collection of banned items of the weaponry kind. Air rifles, knuckldusters, various fighting knives, and a whole load of other stuff. He never got jailed for any of it. Once thee police found them he calmly let his collection be seized. I don't know the details but he worked a bit of overtime about then so I assume a fine or perhaps he got a caution. No jail or anything. From what has beeen said im variolus reports that this guy had
I think the lad I knew had more.
mind you that was several decades ago and thee raid was after the police heard reports the lad was seen chasing after someone with a samurai sword. I told you I knew dodgy people!! The guy told me ojnce that he was a complete <rude word removed> and expected someone would end up killing him before he reached 40!! That would be about now.
This digression is really about how a lot of stuff gets seized without hitting the press. However this one has hit the press with very incomplete and misleading information. It was probably better ot hadn't made thee news media, or at least not until they could get to the truth of the case. All that has been going on in this thread is speculation and opinons. I am guessing we do not know enough to actually have an accurate opinion on this case. Amy opinion right now has as much validity as any other.
To summarise, this is a non-story until we have the true story with clear, unambiguous facts.
I think the lad I knew had more.
mind you that was several decades ago and thee raid was after the police heard reports the lad was seen chasing after someone with a samurai sword. I told you I knew dodgy people!! The guy told me ojnce that he was a complete <rude word removed> and expected someone would end up killing him before he reached 40!! That would be about now.
This digression is really about how a lot of stuff gets seized without hitting the press. However this one has hit the press with very incomplete and misleading information. It was probably better ot hadn't made thee news media, or at least not until they could get to the truth of the case. All that has been going on in this thread is speculation and opinons. I am guessing we do not know enough to actually have an accurate opinion on this case. Amy opinion right now has as much validity as any other.
To summarise, this is a non-story until we have the true story with clear, unambiguous facts.
For guns yes, and it's not just about age. In the UK the date is pre-1939, in the US pre-1899. If the calibre is obsolete (i.e. ammunition is no longer available) it can also be classified as antique. Theoretically, an antique gun can be taken off a licence, but I can't have my 1880s P Webley & Sons hammer action gun taken off because there are still black powder cartridges available
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