Ray still just ahead in the UK, but Bear more popular worldwide

Amon81

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I'll stick with Ray.

I used to watch Bear for the comedy, now its just the same thing ove and over again, it just got old.

Something which I dout will ever happen with Rays programs. I can watch them over and over again.
 

rancid badger

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
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yes; me too:(
R.B.
 

Rabbitsmacker

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i think Rays' programs are far more in keeping with the bushy way of life, Bear is a bit of a er.... attention seeker! lol only kidding. Do they ask every member of the SAS/SAS(TA) what they would like to do on exit of the regiment? "write books and become a celebrity sir!"

i have to say that my missus loves watching the episode where he gets stung in the face or drinks out of the jungle creek and gets the runs. even she thinks he is rubbish and she only knows two things about bushcraft. 1 always get out of your wet clothes and into your dry set, and 2, bushcraft is not the discussion of personal hair management. number one is usually what she is mumbling about when she leaves me in the lounge with the remote!

all kidding aside, i watch both and all, not many programs on the tube about said topic, and though my favs are Ray and Les Stroud, i'll watch anything relating to the topic. and Bear is interesting to watch, even if you have to be a crazy ex forces climbing specialist poo and crawly eating maniac to even do what he does, which i don't.
 
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_scorpio_

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They loved Benny Hill in the Uk too. Don't underestimate the power of Bear. Ask a bunch of 14 to 15 year old boys who Ray Mears is and 1 or 2 might know, but most of them will have heard of Bear Grylls. He seems to inspire them much more than Ray does. I think Ray appeals to those of us who are that bit older. It won't be long before Bear is more popular than Ray in the UK as well. It would seem that Ray is cutting down on the Bushcraft/survival type show and is looking more towards the historical/wildlife type of show. Perhaps he wants to move away from going head to head with Bear as he probably won't win a ratings battle with Mr Grylls, especially with the younger viewers.

probably, but when i first saw bear grylls (at about 14 years old probably) i was just rolling my eyes constantly, and my 9 year old sister was calling him a complete prat because he was drinking his own p1ss!
i watched the beginning of a few just to see how long it would be before he stuffed a crocodile down his shorts to cure a cold or something, but i had so much cramp in my eyes from all the rolling my doctor advised me to stop.
tehe, lets start a debate! though it will be a bit one sided. :BlueTeamE
 

spiritwalker

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Jun 22, 2009
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im a die hard ray man however i watch bear too and id watch keith cheggers if he was to do something outdoorsy id rather watch anything related to something im interested in than the other shoite on the telly such as big brother and many other reality tv et al crap
 

Toddy

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I rarely watch tv, maybe four or five hours a year. At the first Scottish Meet I asked who this Ray Mears fellow was :eek:, what was his background, and Sandbender brought out his laptop and powered it up to show me.

I've never watched Bear Grylls, but from my reading, and I do lots of that, he is a performer, a tv presenter, rather than someone who actually lives life with a real interest in bushcraftying things. He does not seem to acknowledge mentors, or skilled practitioners, traditional craftsmen and women, historical relevances, or survival as a living, instead of an event to be endured for a short (and apparantly uncomfortable) time.

Showmen, presenters, comedians all seem to have lifespan within a cultural timeframe.
Very few transcend the, "that's boring now", attitude as fashions and fads fade and date.
The last chief scout was Peter Duncan, and there was a great surge of popularity as he came on the scene too, most youngsters now haven't a clue who he is; I had to think hard tbh. Old news.

I suspect that Les Hiddens, Mors Kochansky, Eddie McGee, Les Stroud, Ray Mears, and the rest, (no offence intended by omission, these folks simply came quickly to mind) will still be icons for years to come.
They all teach, and teach well. They openly show regard for other folks who have taught them, passed on skills and knowledge of the natural world, and of how humanity, in all it's diversity, utilised, and utilises, natual resources.

I think too often this debate arises and becomes contentious when instead it might be more appropriate to simply acknowledge that Ray and Bear are two very different people, with it appears very different promotional goals.

cheers,
Toddy
 

Arri

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Jan 10, 2010
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You know what I don't like about B.G.? The same thing I don't like about Ed Wardle, they make it look like a hard struggle and I'm not saying it's not, but people like Lars Monsen and Ray Mears make it look natural and part of being a human being. They enjoy nature and what it has to offer rather than complaining about how difficult and **** everything is.
 
I rarely watch tv, maybe four or five hours a year. At the first Scottish Meet I asked who this Ray Mears fellow was :eek:, what was his background, and Sandbender brought out his laptop and powered it up to show me.

I've never watched Bear Grylls, but from my reading, and I do lots of that, he is a performer, a tv presenter, rather than someone who actually lives life with a real interest in bushcraftying things. He does not seem to acknowledge mentors, or skilled practitioners, traditional craftsmen and women, historical relevances, or survival as a living, instead of an event to be endured for a short (and apparantly uncomfortable) time.

Showmen, presenters, comedians all seem to have lifespan within a cultural timeframe.
Very few transcend the, "that's boring now", attitude as fashions and fads fade and date.
The last chief scout was Peter Duncan, and there was a great surge of popularity as he came on the scene too, most youngsters now haven't a clue who he is; I had to think hard tbh. Old news.

I suspect that Les Hiddens, Mors Kochansky, Eddie McGee, Les Stroud, Ray Mears, and the rest, (no offence intended by omission, these folks simply came quickly to mind) will still be icons for years to come.
They all teach, and teach well. They openly show regard for other folks who have taught them, passed on skills and knowledge of the natural world, and of how humanity, in all it's diversity, utilised, and utilises, natual resources.

I think too often this debate arises and becomes contentious when instead it might be more appropriate to simply acknowledge that Ray and Bear are two very different people, with it appears very different promotional goals.

cheers,
Toddy



All very valid points, but as has been mentioned in the thread already, Ray doesn't do bushcraft anymore, the last series was an historical presentation and he's also being lined up to present World of Survival, a revamped version of the wildlife programme that was on in the eighties. Looks like the king is dead and we need a replacement.
 

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