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what does some rocks dug up in eastern turkey got to do with the Mayans?
so we pass through it so no big deal we go round the sun to every 365 days to?
I want to know who translated some Mayan pictographs saying its the end of something and that it will be a cataclysmic disaster?

I did find this statement interesting though: When people make the transition from hunter-gathering to settled agriculture, their skeletons change - they temporarily grow smaller and less healthy as the human body adapts to a diet poorer in protein and a more wearisome lifestyle. Likewise, newly domesticated animals get scrawnier.

And another easter island scenario: About 10,000 years ago, the Kurdish desert was a 'paradisiacal place', as Schmidt puts it. So what destroyed the environment? The answer is Man.

More proof farming is the end game and that hunter gatherer society is what has worked for us since the day we became self aware and that farming no mater how modern we make it will not work and in the end will be our demise....
 
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It coincides precisely with the start of this age on the mayan calendar on the opposite side of the planet.

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If you knew the first thing about the mayan beliefs then you would know they believe there are 5 ages, and that each age is destroyed by one of the elements, like i posted earlier there was a climate shift exactly when they say the last age ended.
 
I wonder if the mayans predicted man made climate change. They'd have been a clever bunch of they had.

Wonder what the Mayan have so say about who will win X-factor:lmao:
they know sooooooooo much! how was it they missed their own destruction.:lmao:
 
Wonder what the Mayan have so say about who will win X-factor:lmao:
they know sooooooooo much! how was it they missed their own destruction.:lmao:

They knew what happens in space, the galactic cycles etc and the effects they cause on the planets. They can not know of things outside of that like a desease or war, invasion of the spanish etc.

Use your loaf tadpole, Big difference between them.

The Mayans knew that our Sun, or Kinich-Ahau, every so often synchronized with the enormous central galaxy. And from this central galaxy received a 'spark' of light which causes the Sun to shine more intensely producing what our scientists call 'solar flares' as well as changes in the Sun's magnetic field. The Mayans say that this happens every 5,200 years. But also that this causes a displacement in the earths rotation, and because of this movement great catastrophes would be produced.

The Mayans believed the universal processes, like the 'breathing' of the galaxy, are cycles that never change. What changes is the consciousness of man that passes through it. Always in a process toward more perfection. Based on their observations, the Mayans predicted that from the initial date of the start of their civilization, 4 Ahau, 8 Cumku which is 3113 B.C., after one cycle being completed 5,125 years in their future, December 21st, 2012. The Sun, having received a powerful ray of synchronizing light from the center of the galaxy, would change its polarity which would produce a great cosmic event that would propel human kind to be ready to cross into a new era, The Golden Age. It is after this, that the Mayans say we will be ready to go through the door that was left by them, transforming our civilization based on fear to a vibration much higher in harmony.

Only from our individual efforts could we avoid the path to great cataclysm that our planet will suffer to start a new era, the sixth cycle of the Sun. The Mayan civilization was in the fifth cycle of the Sun, and there were four other great civilizations before them that were destroyed by great natural disasters. They believed that each cycle was just one stage in the collective consciousness of humanity

In the last cataclysm of the Mayans, the civilization was destroyed by a great flood that left little survivors of which were their descendants. They believed that having known the end of their cycle, mankind would prepare for what is to come in the future and it is because of this that they would have preserved the dominant species; the human race. They say that coming changes will permit us to make a quantum leap forward in the evolution of our consciousness to create a new civilization that would manifest great harmony and compassion to all humankind.

Their first prophecy talks about 'The Time of No-Time'. A period of 20 years, which they call a Katún. The last 20 years of the Sun's cycle of 5,200 years. This cycle is from 1992 - 2012. . They predicted that during these times, solar winds would become more intense and could be seen on the Sun. This would be a time of great realization and great change for mankind. And it would be our own lack of preservation and contamination of the planet that would contribute to these changes. According to the Mayans, these changes would happen so that mankind comprehends how the universe works so we could advance to superior levels, leaving behind superficial materialism and liberating ourselves from suffering.


The Mayans say, that seven years after the start of Katún, which is to say 1999, we would enter a time of darkness which would force us to confront our own conduct. The say that this is the time when mankind will enter 'The Sacred Hall of Mirrors'. Where we will look at ourselves and analyze our behaviors with ourselves, with others, with nature and with the planet in which we live. A time in which all of humanity, by individual conscious decisions, decides to change and eliminate fear and lack of respect from all of our relationships. The Mayans prophesied that the start of this period would be marked by a solar eclipse on August 11, 1999, known to them as 13 Ahau, 8 Cauac. And would coincide with an unprecedented planetary alignment, the 'Grand Cross' alignment. This would be the last 13 years of the Katón period. The last opportunity for our civilization to realize the changes that are coming at the moment of our spiritual regeneration.

For the Mayans, everything is numbers and the time of the 13 sacred numbers started in August 1999. They predicted that along with the eclipse, the forces of nature would act like a catalyst of changes so accelerated and with such magnitude that mankind would be powerless against them. Also, that our technologies in which we rely on so much would begin to fail us. We would no longer be able to learn from our civilization in the way that we are organized as a society. They said that our internal, spiritual development would require a better place along with a better way to interact with more respect and compassion.

The first prophecies were attained by their study of our Sun. The Mayans discovered that the entire solar system moved. That even our universe has its own cycles. Repetitive periods which begin and end like our day and night. These discoveries lead to the understanding that our solar system rotates on an ellipse that brings our solar system closer and further from the center of the galaxy. In other words, according to the Mayans, our Sun and all of its planets rotate in cycles in relation to the center of the galaxy or Hunab-Kú, the central light of the galaxy. It takes 26,000 years for our solar system to make one cycle on this ellipse. One complete cycle is called a galactic day. The cycle is divided into two halves similar to our day and night. The half closest to the central light, is our solar system's 'day' and the half furthest away is its 'night'. Each day and each night lasts 12,800 years. Which is to say, the central galaxy is the Sun for our entire solar system.

The Mayans discovered that every grand cycle has its minor cycles, that carry the same characteristics. One galactic day of 26,000 years is divided into five cycles of 5,200 years. The first cycle is the galactic morning. When our solar system is just coming out of the darkness to enter the light. The second cycle is the mid-day. When our solar system is closest to the central light. The third cycle is the afternoon. When our solar system begins to come out of the light. The fourth cycle is the late-night. When our solar system has entered its furthest cycle from the central light. And the fifth and last cycle is night before dawn. When are solar system is in its last cycle of darkness before starting again. This is the cycle we are currently coming out of.

The Mayan prophecy tells us that in 1999, our solar system began to leave the end of the fifth cycle which started in 3113 B.C. and that we find ourselves in the morning of our galactic day, exiting darkness and on the verge of being in plain day of our central galaxy in 2012. They say that at the beginning and end of these cycles, which is to say, every 5,200 years, the central sun or light of the galaxy emits a ray of light so intense and so brilliant that it illuminates the entire universe. It is from this burst of light that all of the Suns and planets sync. The Mayans compare this burst to the pulse of the universe, beating once every 5,200 years. It is these pulses that mark the end of one cycle and the beginning of the next. Each pulse lasting 20 years, a Katún.

So we come back to what they call 'The Time of No Time'. It is an evolutionary period, short but intense, inside the grand cycles where great changes take place to thrust us into a new age of evolution as individuals and as mankind.

As individuals we will have to make decisions that will affect us all. If we continue on this negative path of hate, an eye for an eye, destruction of nature, of fear and egoism, we will enter straight into the time of destruction and chaos, and we will disappear as the dominant race of this planet. If we become conscious and realize that we all form part of a great organism, and that we should respect one another and be grateful to our planet, then we will move directly into positive growth, our Golden Age. Our planet, the Sun and the Galaxy are awaiting our decision. It is up to us what will happen in this time of change. Whether we go through a time of suffering and destruction or we find ourselves united in one positive consciousness moving closer to our next stage.

2012 in brief

The Mayan civilization of Central America was and is the most advanced in relation to time-science knowledge. Their main calendar is the most accurate on the planet. It has never erred. The Mayan fifth world finished in 1987. The sixth world starts in 2012. So we are currently "between worlds"

1. Humanity and Planet Earth are currently going through a huge change or shift in consciousness and reality perception.

2. The Mayan civilization of Central America was and is the most advanced in relation to time-science knowledge. Their main calendar is the most accurate on the planet. It has never erred. They actually have 22 calendars in total, covering the many timing cycles in the Universe and Solar System. Some of these calendars are yet to be revealed.

3. The Mayan fifth world finished in 1987. The sixth world starts in 2012. So we are currently "between worlds". This time is called the "Apocalypse" or revealing. This means the real truth will be revealed. It is also the time for us to work through "our stuff" individually and collectively.

4. The Mayan sixth world is actually blank. This means it is up to us, as co-creators, to start creating the new world and civilization we want now.

5. The Mayans also say that by 2012

we will have gone beyond technology as we know it.
we will have gone beyond time and money.
we will have entered the fifth dimension after passing through the fourth dimension
Planet Earth and the Solar System will come into galactic synchronization with the rest of the Universe.
Our DNA will be "upgraded" (or reprogrammed) from the centre of our galaxy. (Hunab Ku)
Everybody on this planet is mutating. Some are more conscious of it than others. But everyone is doing it.

6. In 2012 the plane of our Solar System will line up exactly with the plane of our Galaxy, the Milky Way. This cycle has taken 26,000 years to complete. Virgil Armstrong also says that two other galaxies will line up with ours at the same time. A cosmic event!

7. Time is speeding up (or collapsing). For thousands of years the Schumann Resonance or pulse (heartbeat) of Earth has been 7.83 cycles per second, The military have used this as a very reliable reference. However, since 1980 this resonance has been slowly rising. It is now over 12 cycles per second! This means there is the equivalent of less than 16 hours per day instead of the old 24 hours.

8. During the Apocalypse or the time "between worlds" many people will be going through many personal changes. The changes will be many and varied. It is all part of what we came here to learn or experience. Examples of change could be- relationships coming to an end, change of residence or location, change of job or work, shift in attitude or thinking etc."
 
They knew what happens in space, the galactic cycles etc and the effects they cause on the planets. They can not know of things outside of that like a desease or war, invasion of the spanish etc.

Use your loaf tadpole, Big difference between them.

Does the guy from myspace know you are plagiarising his works as your own :(
 
Yes i know what plagiarise means. Still dont follow. My space? never been on their in my life mate. Dont bother with things like that or facebook etc
 
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Tadpole have you nothing batter to do with your time apart from searching the web and picking holes in other peoples posts?
Surely there must be a charity looking for some help.
 
Wow - I wonder if RM is aware of the discussions he has started?!
Until now I thought the worst thing that was going to happen in 2012 was the Olympic games!
Change will happen......but the future is not certain...
 
Wow - I wonder if RM is aware of the discussions he has started?!
Until now I thought the worst thing that was going to happen in 2012 was the Olympic games!
Change will happen......but the future is not certain...

I know, the thread started on global warming then all went a bit David Ike.
 
I know, the thread started on global warming then all went a bit David Ike.

How do you figure that one then? Its all relevant TO global warming. Its the reason behing it not some cock and bull story trying to get us to feel guilty about it all etc. We can do nothing to stop or change it. Watch you will see.
 
Its not man made. Thats the point. If it was man made then why is the same warming effect happening on other planets?


the IPCC seem to disagree with you. I reckon I'll stick with the weight of scientific opinion on this.
As for things happening on other planets, that's actually irrelevent to what's happening here. I don't know why it's happening on other planets, but the weight of scientific opinion is that it's manmade on Earth.

Don't get me wrong, you can believe what you want, still don't make it true.

tho as I'm in a giving mood, I've found you this to read

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climate-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too.html
 
the IPCC seem to disagree with you. I reckon I'll stick with the weight of scientific opinion on this.
As for things happening on other planets, that's actually irrelevent to what's happening here. I don't know why it's happening on other planets, but the weight of scientific opinion is that it's manmade on Earth.

Don't get me wrong, you can believe what you want, still don't make it true.

tho as I'm in a giving mood, I've found you this to read

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climate-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too.html
I'm sorry but you can't use science or evidence in this thread, it's not allowed, and if it's less than 10,000 years old or written on odd bits of rock it is not relevent or true:lmao:
 
Okay...........

The Maya did not use the sacrifical rites for capital punishment; To do so would have been an offence against the Gods to whom only the best would be given. Political prisoners however, now they were fair game......conquered heroes were powerful, and the more they had endured first only increased that honour.

Go read some of the academic anthropology studies, especially those in Spanish. More are being translated into English, and not abysmally by Google either. The Jesuits have the clearest records of much of the primary documentation.
The repositaries in the Vatican are a gold mine that researchers are slowly working their way through.


For any people who lived in pre modern light pollution skies, it is a relatively simple thing to record the movement of the heavens. Every peoples on the planet record this in some form or other.
Our own were no exception, we have a wealth of monuments demonstrating this, Stonehenge, Newgrange, Machrie Moor, etc., etc.
Do not confuse the fact that the Maya pictographs show this, with thinking that no one else did it.
Have a look at some of the Southern Indian, Korean or Chinese star maps, even the cave paintings of W. Europe occasionally show star alignments and the like.

This thread has gone so far off topic that I reckon it needs to be split into two. I don't have time to do it.

Either return it to the stated topic or it will be closed.

Do not insult other members. Please re-read the posting guidlines re acceptable behaviour and speech.


Finally, 2012 is just another year, and I am well minded to pay heed to the old phrase,

"Sufficient to the day the troubles thereof."


Toddy
 
the IPCC seem to disagree with you. I reckon I'll stick with the weight of scientific opinion on this.
As for things happening on other planets, that's actually irrelevent to what's happening here. I don't know why it's happening on other planets, but the weight of scientific opinion is that it's manmade on Earth.

Don't get me wrong, you can believe what you want, still don't make it true.

tho as I'm in a giving mood, I've found you this to read

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climate-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too.html

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