Preparing for troubled times ahead - Advice on what is needed.....

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Scottieoutdoors

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Actually....contrary to the majority of this thread, there is the whole argument that reduced spending damages the economy, increasing recessions etc, whereas spending as per usual reduces the impacts.... I just haven't figured how that works out with the current/predicted future climate.... or as someone said, this prediction may or may not come true depending on people's actions...
 

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Dear lord! On one hand I hope you've kept your windows closed tonight for the surrounding eco system, on the other the pressure build up might blow your place to smithereens, so maybe best to have them slightly open!!
 
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Actually....contrary to the majority of this thread, there is the whole argument that reduced spending damages the economy, increasing recessions etc, whereas spending as per usual reduces the impacts.... I just haven't figured how that works out with the current/predicted future climate.... or as someone said, this prediction may or may not come true depending on people's actions...
Or a slightly different slant. If inflation is 10% and you've got any savings they are likely to be making far less, perhaps 2% if you're lucky. So it would well be worth stocking up on anything you need and will keep.
 

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Or a slightly different slant. If inflation is 10% and you've got any savings they are likely to be making far less, perhaps 2% if you're lucky. So it would well be worth stocking up on anything you need and will keep.

I agree, get things while you can. I've just got some more tools. A rivett gun with an assortment of rivetts, a decent axe, at last, and a second hand slashing hook, which I've been after for a while. It looks blacksmith made rather than mass produced, so I'm a happy bunny.
Already used the rivet gun to mend a lacing hook on a pair of boots. Not pretty, but it did the job, and saved a bus trip into town to the cobblers.
The slashing hook, means I can now tackle the last nettle and bramble patch in the garden, (about 8 feet tall) to make way for another raised bed,and plant my potted damson tree.
Must get more screws and nails too.!
Also contemplating getting a couple of spare tyres and inner tubes for my electric bike, just in case they are needed. The battery is kaput, and costs now are stupid for a replacement, so ive removed the battery, and it's now just a normal bike. Spares are mostly made in China, so could be in short supply if things go weirder than ever with dock strikes or China v usa.
Ps...Mars bars are supposedly in short supply, (not that I've bought one for years, )so stock up now!
 

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Looks lovely. I do like a cauliflower curry ever since I saw it being made on one of th Hairy Bikers shows. Could have been the lose weight series but it tasted fantastic.
They were both Hairy Bikers recipes. Veggy Feasts I think but I have quite a few of their books. Next week I will make a batch of lentil ragu.
 
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Question for those more prepared amongst us, how long do you prep for?

Since Covid, We try to have enough food for a week in the house to cover any lockdown/civil emergency.

Please don’t answer if you feel this is an inappropriate question
 
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Question for those more prepared amongst us, how long do you prep for?

Since Covid, We try to have enough food for a week in the house to cover any lockdown/civil emergency.

Please don’t answer if you feel this is an inappropriate question

1 week is better than 1 day , 2 weeks is better than 1 week, 1 month is better than 2 weeks.

I guess at some point it gets to a point of belief/faith vs probable/improbable

If you lived in an area where logistical disturbance due to weather issues ( Snow/Flood ) you'd feel in yourself completely justified in having a back up pantry and some contingency margin built into your domestic life. You wouldn't be considered negatively by your neighbours because all your neighbours would be doing the same. Your society ARE your neighbours.

Despite everything that has gone on in recent years and the current media over drive of telling us food & power shortages are likely - still most people won't increase the larder aspect.

I guess a lot also comes down to how much space you have available to increase sensible holding - an old school pantry? excellent , a small outhouse or spare garage/shed even better. Relationships can be a bit strained if you start stock piling MRE in the lounge as a make shift coffee table.

I think a Week is a good length of time for 'most' supply chain issues- anything beyond that is extra in the tank. If one can , and has the space, I think a Month is an excellent amount of wiggle room - not just for you but maybe a neighbour in time of need.
 
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At the start of covid I had about 2 months worth, I've kept adding, each time I saw a bargain, ie, 3 cans of soup for the price of two. I could probably last a year with the foraging and veg garden added, except for dairy, milk, cheese etc.
I've even taken to growing veg in my recycling boxes! I just rang the council and asked for two more as mine were getting old. They have produced a good crop of potatoes and beans for next to nothing, watering is key though in containers.
This summer, I've concentrated on winter fuel for the multi fuel burner, and batteries, plus more gas for cooking when the power goes, and a jackery solar system.
Next few purchases are things like warm socks and undies, spares of things I might need, and I'm busy making a rag rug, and pine cone fire lighters with melted down old wax candle stubbs and egg boxes.
I'm also collecting some good books and knitting wool for those quiet evenings in front of the fire.
Having lived off grid in the past, it's not too worrying for me. I know it's perfectly possible with some forethought and planning to get through the next few months.
Noticed a box of cooks matches have gone up 50p...next item to stock!!
We will just have to get used to living with less, and not wasting what we have got.
I live pretty rural, and am used to getting cut off, so it's normal for me to make sure that winter is sorted early. I've just upped it a bit, and replaced a lot that I couldn't get during covid, (undies, for instance)
I think I'm pretty well set, but you don't see the holes untill you need something you don't have, or can't get.
I make myself add something every day. Even if it's just one can of chick peas, a box of matches, or a book to read. At the end of a year, that's 365 items!
 

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Couple websites I use are:
Bulkpowders.com
Myprotein.com
Both for peanut butter - 1kg tubs - other nut butters are available.

Musclefoods is also another good website for bulk food buys if you have freezer space then there are lots of meat options.

You'll have to do your own research to see how cost effective it is against your own options or budgets, but I find these are good for my wants and work out cheaper than a lot of supermarkets.

No affiliation with them other than a customer.
 

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Question for those more prepared amongst us, how long do you prep for?
I'm not a prepper but as we both work from home and are several miles from the nearest shop I always have 2 weeks of food in for normal meals. We also then stock up on normal items we're going to use, so we could probably survive comfortably for three months before just surviving for another three at least.

Take milk for example, I buy the milk with the longest date and keep one in the freezer, so that's two weeks worth. Then we have UHT which would last a month and then some powdered milk for a couple of months. Then it's black coffee/tea!

Obviously stuff doesn't last for ever so we cycle stuff round.

It's also much easier if you have a productive veg garden, even in winter we can normally pick a meal or two.
 

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But when do you stop purchasing?
Because I can see a false economy here.
If you keep purchasing items doesn't that undermine the purpose of purchasing to start with: get 'em whilst they're cheap? And not just purchase them, but purchase lots of them.
So, let's say, a tin of budget beans can be bought for 30p a tin, compared to a premium brand at 75p (or whatever). So, since they're just 30p, you buy 3 tins - a total of 90p, which is more than the 75p you might have spent on the posh brand, but at least you've got three times the amount of (watery and flavourless) beans.
OK, fair enough.
But if you keep doing that then at some point that cheaper price per unit becomes irrelevant, because you are never dipping into the reserves and you might (that's a might) be spending more anyway - i.e. that 90p on 3 tins versus that 75p on one tin.

Surely, it only becomes a saving when you stop purchasing and start using. If you keep topping up with multiple items of a cheaper item (that cost you more than the 1 item of a more expensive brand) when you only consume 1 item, then...well, it's not really a saving.
At some point you have to stop hoarding to make a financial saving.
 
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Surely, it only becomes a saving when you stop purchasing and start using. If you keep topping up with multiple items of a cheaper item (that cost you more than the 1 item of a more expensive brand) when you only consume 1 item, then...well, it's not really a saving.
At some point you have to stop hoarding to make a financial saving.

Why do you believe people only extend their pantry with lower quality goods?

Where has this notion come from?
 
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My point wasn't about the quality, it's about the quantity/cost.
Buying multiples of cheaper items (regardless of quality) is only cost effective when you are actually using them. If they just sit in a cupboard 'just in case' then you haven't saved money.
 

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Rotating stuff is the key.
I write the use by date on the can with a sharpie, and stack accordingly withe the earliest date at the front.
Don't forget, these are just a guide, and if you ask me, a way of getting you to chuck perfectly good food, and buy more. I use the dates simply to use them in order rather than use by.
Had a perfectly good tin of 2020 pineapple for pudding tonight. Nothing wrong with it.
If beans are a bit watery, I add some extra tomato puree, and cook them a bit longer to thicken the sauce up, or add grated cheese. Cheesy beans are ace!
Used to make one cheap can of beans do two hungry kids in the 70's like that, with two slices of toast, fill up after on bread and jam, or peanut butter, marmite, or whatever we had.
Maybe a home made cake if we were lucky. !
 
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My point wasn't about the quality, it's about the quantity/cost.
Buying multiples of cheaper items (regardless of quality) is only cost effective when you are actually using them. If they just sit in a cupboard 'just in case' then you haven't saved money.
I don't buy cheaper, poorer quality stuff, but by having a sensible stock of things I can often wait to restock used items when they are on offer.
 
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My point wasn't about the quality, it's about the quantity/cost.
Buying multiples of cheaper items (regardless of quality) is only cost effective when you are actually using them. If they just sit in a cupboard 'just in case' then you haven't saved money.
There's another way to look at it. When we drank instant coffee, I noticed that occasionally Supermarkets had Douwe Egberts coffee at half price. But only once or twice a year. So the next time it went on offer we bought a complete "flat" of 12 large jars (for the price of 6). When we had drunk 6 jars, we started drinking the free ones. When we were down to three, the offer came along again. Bought another 10 jars.

Eventually we always had plenty of coffee and it was costing far less.

25Kg of potatoes at the farm gate costs less than a third per kilo than supermarket prices, are much fresher and you can choose from half a dozen varieties. Left in a cool shed or garage they last until Spring.

Bulk buying should always save you money if you apply a little effort.
 

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You have to think about it, preferably before you buy.

What do you actually eat ? and use....because mind the soap and toothpaste, etc., too.

Then think hard on what you can actually cook with if you are suddenly restricted to the contents of your pantry.

So, while it's all very well stocking up on stuff like pasta, but think about what else you need to make it edible simply from the pantry/store cupboard. Tomatoes (the tubes of puree seem to last best if you store them in a box so they don't get bashed and broken and are better value than jars of stuff unless you're growing your own and canning) mixed beans, tinned meat (or tofu if you're veggie)
Then again, I'm not that fond of pasta, but I can make a lot of meals with it from very little, so I do stash a good assortment away......besides, making pasta is hardly rocket science, just that dried pasta and noodles store well, while flour takes more care.

Same with rice. Same with instant potatoes.....which I do use, not so much as mash, but it makes great potato scones, thickens soups, makes all kind of stuff like gnocchi, 'smiley faces', etc., ...all from a packet of smash :) Buying in bulk makes it even cheaper....and the stores own brands come in small mylar bags which literally help make it last for years.

I'm an old fashioned vegetarian, I learned to cook nutritious veggie meals from the old adages of mixing grains/beans/nuts to make complete proteins, so I still do that, and that's reflected in the stuff I stash in the pantry. I spend a lot on nuts, but we eat a lot of nuts, so I buy from folks like RealFoodSource where I get nuts with long use by dates, etc.,

The other thing that's worth stashing is stuff like Nido. Nido is dried milk in a really, really sound tin. It's a full fat dried milk, so it's fully nutritious, and it's tasty and the menfolks will drink it if there's no other milk, when they won't even considered the usual dried milks.
Nido is known to last ten years in the can.....I opened one that was seven years old, and it was perfect. It's good to drink, it's good to bake with, no complaints. You can also make yoghurt, a dairy spread and an assortment of cheeses from Nido that you'd can't easily do from low fat dried milk.

I also buy, and we use, a lot of dried fruit. From raisins to mangos and ginger, but I dry what I can of what grows here, apples, pears, quince, strawberries and the like. We don't eat a lot of sweets, or bought in biscuits, but we do eat a lot of fruit and I bake.

I think the only real advice is to think about it. Think hard on what you'd use, how best to store it, and quietly stock up.
Think about what kind of meals you like, and make up a list of what you could store that would make it from the pantry/cupboard. Maybe have enough in stock to do it a couple of times.

I admit I have stocked up on stuff that I'm pretty sure will go up in price,
I bake, so stuff like vanilla, saffron, spices, good chocolate, etc.,
and if I see an offer on stuff that I do know we use, like a 3 for 2, then I'll buy it twice and just store it away.

When lock down hit the only things we needed, and we shopped just once a week for were fresh saladings, fruit and vegetables and dairy. We'd have managed from the pantry, the freezer and the garden but it wouldn't be the same variety.

Everyone will have different likes, different dietary needs, think about what you actually use, and what you would like to be able to make, just from what is in the cupboard.
Then think hard on what you'd do if you got really unwell, or there was a blizzard that stopped you getting out for three weeks, and make sure you have enough stashed to cover for at least that long.

Me ? I grow and store in season, so I think ahead, and a year's a good think :)

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