Preparing for troubled times ahead - Advice on what is needed.....

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Paul_B

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How do you stand up for something political when there's no politics you feel are worth standing up with? It seems there's a political element creeping into the forum posts so I feel justified in questioning how to stand up to the current political system? No opposition much better to support.
 

Wander

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I confess to having a slight 'split personality' - I love my technologies, cars and bikes but at the same time I am most at home sitting in the wood contemplating the smoke rising from the campfire. I rarely watch TV and if I do it's to be entertained not informed. I programme micro technologies for fun yet spend more time on artwork and leathercraft. I ride a motorbike and drive a fun two-seater but would still prefer to be on a river in the canoe or walking the hills.

Yeah, I'm a bit like that.
I have no interest in tech, enjoy sitting there and taking in a gorgeous landscape, enjoy turning a big bit of wood into a small bit of wood, have no interest in computers beyond something I have to use at work, watch only a little TV, etc.
But you show me a classic British sports car, and the chance to burn petrol doing a hill climb, and I'll snap your hand off.
As I speak, I have a Triumph Spitfire GT6 on the drive as a project. I'm hoping to shoe-horn an old XR2i engine in it.
I can't square that circle with my love of the environment.
Humans, huh?
 
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TLM

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Somebody above stated the main problem, large cities and their inhabitants. When el, water, heat, gas shuts down the city areas tend to turn uninhabitable fairly fast or faster depending on the time of year. I believe most people living in them are quite helpless when that happens.

I remember too well when Soviet Union was falling apart, just in case the social order would fall apart (in the St Petersburg area) and people would start to move somewhere close where there were things like food (Finland), every vehicle in the Army that could be equipped with a machine gun, preferably a heavy one, had one. Fortunately no one had to give the FIRE-order. We were thinking of millions of people changing places. OK, how's London?
 

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I can clearly see that you have not visited rural Finland. While they certainly like their comforts there still more than a few who remember earlier times.
Finland is also approaching being a poster child for the model new society.
 

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Im confused but I often am. I'm pretty good at science and medicine but economics confuses me as its often counter intuitive.

Currently the official inflation figures are running at around 10-11 percent. whilst everything I purchase including my business expenses are increasing nearer 40-50%. Food, Energy, diesel etc.

Are other people's experiences the same? How is there such a difference between the official figures are my bills?
This isn't intended to sound smug but in a way of explanation. No, our experience so far has be negligible because we heat with our own wood, grow much of our own food and work from home so don't have many transport costs. I also stock up so when I notice something going from £1 to £1.50 I can to wait for it to be on special offer in a month or two.

There will be plenty of people in a similar position but that means there will be plenty of people who's personal inflation rate is much higher than the national average.
 

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I see you have not met our bull headed male population. ;)

I get the whole sisu thing believe it or not. But it's not really relevent, in terms of building back better, great resetting, being new normal, whatever you want to call it, Finland rural and urban is already where most of the developed world is going.
 

TLM

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I get the whole sisu thing believe it or not.
But that is not really relevant in this case at all, what would be is the six R Perkele. Which again is kind of hard to explain.

The Social Democrats (nothing democratic about them) think they have it all figured out. The Finnish society is fairly stable at the moment, not bad, but we have only about 7k police and a conscript army, which kind of means that the "Government" in reality has no way to enforce very unpopular policies.
 
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With the cost of living crisis increasing and that seems to now be affecting everyone do people expect to see Crime increase ? and an increase in the amount of criminals?

Do you have locks on outbuildings? are you taking measures to prevent this?
 
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With the cost of living crisis increasing and that seems to now be affecting everyone do people expect to see Crime increase ? and an increase in the amount of criminals?

Do you have locks on outbuildings? are you taking measures to prevent this?

Around here they'll smash your knees/elbows and eventually head, if you're a recidivist, with a sledge hammer or shotgun. So only the real gluebags get into petty theft, their number is pretty constant.
 

Wander

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Seriously chaps, this is starting to sound like you are just winding yourselves up for no good reason, just creating drama and crises that don't actually exist, purely for the sake of getting despondent for the sake of it.
Get a bit of proportion. It's easy to tell yourselves these things might happen but putting 2 and 2 together and making 5 is not a constructive use of one's time.
 

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Seriously chaps, this is starting to sound like you are just winding yourselves up for no good reason, just creating drama and crises that don't actually exist, purely for the sake of getting despondent for the sake of it.
Get a bit of proportion. It's easy to tell yourselves these things might happen but putting 2 and 2 together and making 5 is not a constructive use of one's time.
Quite agree. Tough times ahead for sure but most folk will muddle through and lots of tips on this thread are very useful. Probably don’t need it to drift into ‘shadow’ politics.

Folk criticise the main stream media when it challenges or disagrees with their world view - then are drawn to social media, YouTube and ‘fringe’ news sites that become a self perpetuating echo chamber. Mainstream media is largely balanced, proportionate and is held to account in a way YouTube or Facebook or TikTok never can be.
 
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slowworm

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If you lock your house or if you have contents insurance does that also mean you're worrying too much?

I admit I'm a little concerned about our log stacks, they've probably trebled in price since I cut and stacked them. I would be more worried if I had heating oil, not just because people do steal it but mostly because theres been cases of tanks drilled and half it spilling over people's gardens.

I'm not losing any sleep over this but something to consider when I build a log store.
 
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TLM

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Seriously chaps, this is starting to sound like you are just winding yourselves up for no good reason, just creating drama and crises that don't actually exist, purely for the sake of getting despondent for the sake of it.
Said the guy who does not have over thousand klick border with comrade Putlin. ;)

While I kind of agree with the sentiment sometimes reality just finds the worst alternative. Again often it does not make sense to get ready for that but playing the thought game prevents one from excessive positive feelings. :angelic2:
 

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Said the guy who does not have over thousand klick border with comrade Putlin. ;)

While I kind of agree with the sentiment sometimes reality just finds the worst alternative. Again often it does not make sense to get ready for that but playing the thought game prevents one from excessive positive feelings. :angelic2:

Not sure you really need to worry about him, by some of what I've heard there is a lot of your lads itching for a good excuse to have a scrap with the Russians... Last I heard that neck of the woods is also pretty empty of defensive forces too....they're a little more occupied down south.
 

TLM

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some of what I've heard there is a lot of your lads itching for a good excuse to have a scrap with the Russians.
Well yes and no, to be exact. Yes in that there are people who think the areas surrendered after WW2 should be returned. No in that most people really do not want a war and even though Finland appears to have a fairly good army, the losses would be significant.

I think the war party is really small.
 

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Seriously chaps, this is starting to sound like you are just winding yourselves up for no good reason, just creating drama and crises that don't actually exist, purely for the sake of getting despondent for the sake of it.
Get a bit of proportion. It's easy to tell yourselves these things might happen but putting 2 and 2 together and making 5 is not a constructive use of one's time.

If thats a reply to my comment ref potential crime increasing then ok, I hear what you are saying but lets have review of it in a years time.

I'm not seeing anarchy in the streets but I would imagine as the financial crunch gets tighter people are most definitely feel more squeezed to the point the need in whatever way to act.
 
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