old technology beats modern technology failure

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On one of my recent courses I accidently broke the gear-stick of my Land-Rover. The gearstick consists of a stick, attached to a metal ball and a small metal bar underneath that ball. The ball acts as a swivel. The stick had broken off right at it's connection to the ball, so there wasn't even a little stump left. After being angry or a few minutes, I gave my students a task to do. While they were doing that, I took my bow-drill set, and inserted a metal drill-bit, I had lying around in the toolbox. I managed to drill an inch-deep hole into the metal ball with the bow-drill. After that hole was made, I inserted a tent-peg. With this in place, I managed to put the gearbox into second gear and drive home the next day...

Now, I'd like to hear your stories of ancient technologies beating the new...

Many regards,

Anthonio Akkermans
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jamesdevine

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I would have my don't about this I not been there. :shock:

Good to back here Anthonio.

Back some years ago I worked with the local community training scheme restoring some churchs, Windmills and castles in the surround area. We often had to do strange things like racking out and repointing the insides of the baking ovens.

But on area whilst working on the castle some of the areas were normal modern scaffolding would not fit it being made of standard lenghts and steel we had to use pioneering poles and lashing. For once I wasn't the tea boy but the expert as I known all the lashings need to construct it from scouts. :)

James
 

Adi007

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Stuart said:
I have watched people in the chinese shops in africa use an abacus to do calulations fast than I could do them on a calculator
There was a chinese grocerers nearby to us that did the same thing ... amazing!
 

Adi007

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I think that one of the real points that comes from what Anthonio says is that it's harder (much harder to impossible) to fix modern things than it is to fix older technology.

Example - Land Rovers vs newer vehicles. We recently had a problem with thhe alternator on our Landie. Result, a tow home. However, it only cost about a tenner to fix and had done nearly 100,000 miles. While at the repair shop we talked about modern alternators and how the newer ones with electric fans can fail within 15,000 - 30,000 - and cost a fortune to fix.

We're hurtling ourselves towards a throw-away culture where things are cheaper to replace than repair.
 

Keith_Beef

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Sep 9, 2003
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Went to a wedding in Gelderop a few years ago. Forgot to take my cufflinks. After trying to buy some cufflinks, and not finding any, I made a pair. I hadn't forgotten to take a knife with me, and I had a bit of twine in my pocket.

Went back to England, with my wife, to see my parents, and went on holiday with them. We rented a hatchback car. The parcel shelf should have been attached to the hatchback by two strings with toggles on the end, but said toggles were missing. I had a knife with me, so I quickly made a couple of toggles.


Keith.
 

MartiniDave

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Aug 29, 2003
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I really hate the growing trend toward the throw away culture. My parents lived through the second world war and their way of life was to waste nothing. My father used the same wilkinson sword razor for over 60 years, before that he used a straight blade razor. Now we have mach 3 and similar where the blades are complex, cost a fortune and require a sodding great production line to assemble all the nasty little plastic bits - is that really progress? I had to teach my stepson to sharpen a pencil, he thought when it broke you should go get another one! AARRGH!!

Surely its got to stop soon or there won't be any resource left! :?:

Rant over

Dave
 

Huon

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May 12, 2004
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As a teenager I used to free-camp fairly frequently in New Zealand. I can remember one trip where a friend equiped with a fire-harded, Manuka spear that I made caught more flounder than the rest of us put together.

I suspect thet this was due more to luck than the superiority of the primitive spear but it does show that high tech or modern isn't always needed.

Not forgetting of course that the home-made spear was also far more fun!
 

SquirrelBoy

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I blame the media and commercialism (word?). Its them that pump us and our childrens heads full of cr*p about us needing the latest gizmo to make us happy.
As if the last product wasnt sold with the same promises..

The world wont be able to hold this relentless push of throw away items. We will run out of resources, and it wont be long before we will be diggin up the land fills to recycle the plastics,metals and glass berried long ago.

My rant over.
 

Ed

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I blame the media and commercialism (word?). Its them that pump us and our childrens heads full of cr*p about us needing the latest gizmo to make us happy.
Ummm... not sure I'd blame the media. Personaly I think it is just human nature. Remember that our ancestors strived to have the best technology (ie from stone to copper to bronze to iron to steel)..... and this strive for new technology has formed our evolution since stone age times.... The media has just complicated things by making cr*p products look good enough to buy ;-)

Just my personal thought though.....

Ed
 

Adi007

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Good point Ed ... the shift from stone tools to copper and copper to bronze etc was very slow (maybe because we hadn't invented the marketing department yet).
 

Stew

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A friends car had a spark plug fall out when she started it up in a car park.
Unfortunately she didn't have any tools (not even a jack!!) and i couldn't quite get my fingers in to tighten it.
In the end I got a stick, split it down it's length and pushed the spark plug into this, then screwed it in. It lasted until we got home and when I got a socket set out to tighten it up properly it only took a further half turn!
 

sargey

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i was on a tiny tropical island in the indian ocean, out in the bush and got talking to a kid from the village a few miles up the road. he was justifiably proud of his digital watch. he noticed that my watch was a couple of minutes fast compared to his and decided to adjust the time on his watch. it was one of those watches where you needed a biro to push the tiny button set into the side of the watch to set the time.

i would have trekked a long way to find a biro to set my watch. :?: this guy just took his coupe-coupe ( sort of machete) cut a twig and whittled a point, then set the time on his watch. :super: i thought it was brilliant!

cheers, and.
 

ChrisKavanaugh

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I was stationed on the Oregon Coast. We had two modern self righting lifeboats and a older, 36' double ender commissioned before the oldest man in our unit was born. It was all wood, double ended and slow. I was given command and the job of putting it right for the upcoming summer season. One day I noticed a strange hole in the deck, and consulting an old maintenance manual discovered this thing was a step for a mast! We found the mast in the bo'suns locker, forgotten in the rafters. A quick check found it still sound. We actually got the local chandlery to donate some old sail canvas nobody wanted. We looked like a Monty Python skit trying to actually sail the boat with instruction manuals in one hand and running lines in the other. Then one day it happened. We had a distress call from a disabled pleasureboat drifting into the bar. A bar is a phenomenon where multiple currents collide at bays or river mouths. It creates a wave action that forms a solid wall of crashing water and can reach 20'+ in bad weather. So off we went in old 36535 ( our two modern 44's allready out on other missions.) Just as we approached the bar we felt a shuddering explosion and smoke poured from the engine. We had cracked the head and threw a rod. Without hesitation ( or choice) we stepped the mast and within minutes were running up this 12' wave under sail. A helicopter unit had been dispatched from Astoria and by now the shoreline was full of onlookers. We almost rammed the disabled boat coming alongside, tied off and crawled to a safe anchorage. Then I heard it. My base C/O and the pilot ( who was an officer I served previously with in Alaska) asking each other who's crazy idea it was to do this stunt. I answered, "sirs, It is I , petty officer Kavanaugh. We are ship shape and Bristol fashion here sirs. Do YOU require further assistance?" Nothing but radio static for a few seconds. "Kav? is that you? Yes, Commander Brundage. It's me. Oh, O.K. Er, carry on." That week my boat was decommissioned and placed in a maritime museum :?: .
 

Seagull

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Nice story C.K.

I,m sure a lot of mariners have had experiences as tragic/comic, with boats.

Thankfully, nowadays we dont see very many old wooden boats.

They do, however, when sufficiently dried out, burn gratifyingly well.

seagull
 

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