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Zodiak said:A fellow scout leader is ex-Army and has a real thing about civvies and DPM. When he saw my tarp (DPM) for the first time he said "who is the t****** with teh peek aboo poncho!" He was not impressed with my unit's old 8m*6m tarp that we use as a group shelter "F*** me its an action man sellers convention" and my new water bottle (in DPM case) he just had to say "S*** what sort of muppet woul try to hide their own water from themsleves. ITS ON YOU HIP!!!"
I generally respect the blokes opinion and I have certainly never see anybody take better care of his kit, every night his boots get cleaned up, including soles, even if it is chucking down
You can imagine my delight when I ordered 4 map cases in black and one turned up in DPM! I rang the shop and they said "Don't worry we ran out of black ones but we havent charged you the extra for that!".
When I showed my mate he roared with laughther, "look an actions man's codpiece.. dear oh dear what a.... "
As a result I avoid DPM but he hasn't seen my dark blue Belgian(?) camo trousers yet, I can't wait to see his response.
My 12 year old daughter has a red/oranmge/yellow camo type pattern on a fleece, and his comment was "Christ on a bike under what conditions would that be described as a good camoflague?"
Her reply was "You worse nightmare" he thought that was hilarious. I never could fathom army humour.
from the sounds of his comments and the language used - he sounds like a barrack room barney to me - never regarded as a proper soldier prefering a live in the orderly room and pour scorn on us infantry types - some people just dont like it as they had a bad time in the last few years and dont want reminding of it in which case scouts isn't for him as the kids generally love the military stuff and the leader are generally interested in what you can teach them. most of them/us dont get the civvy mindset and stick to what we know works. I've known guys who only did fieldcraft in basic and have lived it up in tents and vehicles for 22 years and who's only idea of roughing it is having an empty flask. could also be he's institutionalised and just hates 'civvies' in which case political correctness will drive him out of scouts.
I spent so long in it I get lonely without all the pockets and pouches - I have 'normal kit' but get fed up having to root around for stuff that should be in reach.
I always prefered olive green though and still have a full OG setup. if I wear camo then its normally foreign stuff not dpm even though I have loads in the loft. there's enough OG camping gear out there anyway people aren't normally too bothered. its cheap, hard wearing, fit for purpose and never looks like it needs a wash..
Funny but the army has gone a little dpm crazy of late - my little brother went through sandhurst and was petrified if I suggested wearing anything else - did'nt stop him nicking my bergan, belt kit and chest rig for op telic though as OG blends in better. He refuses to give it back and has hidden it so I suspect he wondered down the MT and has it sprayed up with sandy stripes.
Rumour has it that we might be going to a different pattern soon as dpm was designed by a frenchman in 1911 (or something like that) for europe - the expectations are for a light tan or something similar to the new american grey/green pattens so we can carry on fighting over oil. in which case expect an awfull lot of stuff on ebay soon.
jay120970 said:
Try a search for travelproof basha, I have one which I don't time to measure for you right now, it does have a coloured logo in the corner though.
I find black clothing allows me to blend into many UK urban areas, disguised as a Goth?
My Realtree cammo stowaway smock also blends into urban areas better than DPM as most just see it as natural tree patterning anyway rather than military camo.
I like camo gearand mil kit, but never buy as many places I have travelled to, to work they advise against wearing do to there political unrest and reason. Better to be very visable so not to upset the locals.
But I think it is okay to use it in the UK.
But I think it is okay to use it in the UK.
i'm in the military (for another 7 weeks 
) and i've got a lot of DPM kit.
however when i'm out and about i wear OG most of the time.
i like green, it blends in while not screaming "rambo" to passers by.
) and i've got a lot of DPM kit. however when i'm out and about i wear OG most of the time.
i like green, it blends in while not screaming "rambo" to passers by.
In my village you get a funny look if you don't have DPM and at least three lurchers.
I've got a Springer, they don't quite know whether I fit in or not. Still a newcomer after 10 years despite living about 5 miles away previously.
I've got a Springer, they don't quite know whether I fit in or not. Still a newcomer after 10 years despite living about 5 miles away previously.
I don't think socrazydave said:
He was in the Royal Engineers and since I knew him he had been in Northern Ireland, Bosnia and before that he was in the Gulf first time round. He has made a point of saying that he doesn't want to talk about the buisness end of his time in, but from the few comments he has made he had a grim time of it. He was shot twice and was in an incident where one of his mates died but thats all we know. The only thing he ever shared was how they set up what he reffered to as agressive defenses designed to funnel people into killing grounds.
He was retired out after an accident involving a collision between two semi inflatable boats where he was thrown in the air and landed on his back over an outboard motor.
He was working as an instructor teaching "coarse carpentry" as he called it and was planning to leave but go back in as a civilian instructor. Injuring his back made that impossible.crazydave said:
Some kids love the miltary stuff, but not all, he comes from Gillingham which has a largish Garrison for the RSME so most of them grew up with it.
He is quite open with the kids in his group that life in the military is great if its the right life for you but never lose sight of the fact that your life is not your own and that you could be called upon to kill or be killed at very short notice. He doesn't try to sell the army or put people off but he lets them know what to expect.
No worries there, he has definatley drawn a line under that part of his life and is getting on with the present. Sure he has black times when he dissapears for a while, I guess thats PTSD, but for most of the time he is one of the most motivated genuine people I know, and he never lets the kids down. Plus he teaches them words that emphasis the time he spent in.crazydave said:
I think the reason he doesn't like DPM on adults as he sees them as playing at soliders, and if kids want to be solders then fine but he wants then to realise its not a game.crazydave said:
Of all the leaders I know he is probably the most relaible and the one that given a problem will solve it. I don't always want to know the solution.. but he certainly gets results and the kids think he is great.
He sits on a sterring comittee and only ever speaks occasionaly normally starting with something like.. "With all due respects to everybody here but you are talking complete s
" What he says is nearly always good stuff and things that everybody else wanted to say but was either too polite or too senstive to mention.Now if only he would stop telling people about a certain dance with rolled up newspaper...
Zodiak said:I don't think so
He has made a point of saying that he doesn't want to talk about the buisness end of his time in, but from the few comments he has made he had a grim time of it. He was shot twice and was in an incident where one of his mates died but thats all we know. The only thing he ever shared was how they set up what he reffered to as agressive defenses designed to funnel people into killing grounds.
He was retired out after an accident involving a collision between two semi inflatable boats where he was thrown in the air and landed on his back over an outboard motor.
He was working as an instructor teaching "coarse carpentry" as he called it and was planning to leave but go back in as a civilian instructor. Injuring his back made that impossible.
Some kids love the miltary stuff, but not all, he comes from Gillingham which has a largish Garrison for the RSME so most of them grew up with it.
He is quite open with the kids in his group that life in the military is great if its the right life for you but never lose sight of the fact that your life is not your own and that you could be called upon to kill or be killed at very short notice. He doesn't try to sell the army or put people off but he lets them know what to expect.
No worries there, he has definatley drawn a line under that part of his life and is getting on with the present. Sure he has black times when he dissapears for a while, I guess thats PTSD, but for most of the time he is one of the most motivated genuine people I know, and he never lets the kids down. Plus he teaches them words that emphasis the time he spent in.
I think the reason he doesn't like DPM on adults as he sees them as playing at soliders, and if kids want to be solders then fine but he wants then to realise its not a game.
Of all the leaders I know he is probably the most relaible and the one that given a problem will solve it. I don't always want to know the solution.. but he certainly gets results and the kids think he is great.
He sits on a sterring comittee and only ever speaks occasionaly normally starting with something like.. "With all due respects to everybody here but you are talking complete s
Now if only he would stop telling people about a certain dance with rolled up newspaper...
my apologies then if he had a rough time - it sounds like he had had more than enough but was hanging on for decent pension - shame though as ex bill oddies are normally keen on passing on what they know and normally that means mil kit. the kids and leader aren't walts they are just buying cheap kit. Normally scout leaders are infantry types with bad knees like me
I hope he gets over it
ask him to demostrate the dofa dance at the agm
Tengu said:
if its webtex then beware as its not as resilient - the black cordura isn't as tough and has been known to split
not that you'll be chucking it off choppers but.......
try making a dropleg possibles pouch that fits under a bergan hipbelt or webbing if you are playing.
I kept a lot of clothing, but once I took off a uniform I nearly spred to death 
The only think I miss is the old olive green trousers, used to love those. Any whooo now adays I don't where any military clothing but have some military kit, but it was stuff I was familiar with and when you can get a bergan nd jet packs for £55.00 in good order compared with a good quality civilian version for blah amount it's clear which way you are going to go.
Oh yeah, my Gortex coat is blue purple and grey. It's an interesting mix but it was a hand me down so what am I to Do!
Pib
The only think I miss is the old olive green trousers, used to love those. Any whooo now adays I don't where any military clothing but have some military kit, but it was stuff I was familiar with and when you can get a bergan nd jet packs for £55.00 in good order compared with a good quality civilian version for blah amount it's clear which way you are going to go.
Oh yeah, my Gortex coat is blue purple and grey. It's an interesting mix but it was a hand me down so what am I to Do!
Pib
I personnally prefer my ex issue stuff. It served me well when i was in my regiment and it serves me well now!
At the end of the day, as long as we all get out there and enjoy bushcraft what does it matter what we wear?
At the end of the day, as long as we all get out there and enjoy bushcraft what does it matter what we wear?
Apparently he tried it once riding a bike!!!crazydave said:ask him to demostrate the dofa dance at the agm
Lets not mention biscuits eh? 
He seems to get on well with most people who were in but can't help ripping it out of marines. Our Beaver Leader was a female Marine officer and when ever he talks to her he sways from side to side, just to make her feel at home.
I must tell you about his instructions for "living" in an NBC suit, I laughed so much that I couldn't breath.
I hate the stuff, I wear some US made 'Proper BDU's' because the pants are well made and cost about 8 quid new (60/40) Other than that I would avoid anything military like the plague.
i was one of them sas eds i was only a kid so it was good to find something in dpm i got a gore tex suit at wg for £30 i live by keswick try doing the same in day grow red £300 +what would you buy? outdoor designer gear is most ly made in the far east so your £200 jacket was made by some kid on 20p a day if your lucky it's all a rip off
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