Northface named and shamed!

[Retired Member southey]

Where did I say you were het up, I made a general statement, It isn't all about you chap and I will make what ever judgements about what ever people I feel necessary.

 

[andybysea]

yep tar em all!

 

[hermitical]

Where did I say you were het up

sorry, it was when you said "there is no point at all in getting het up about it" in your reply to me. I can see how it was ridiculous for me to assume it was aimed at me and not at the rest of the world...

 

[Retired Member southey]

the fact that each reply comes in a chronological order does not mean that the next reply is a direct response to your comment. either a named comment in the post or a quote are the best ways to make a direct reply to a post

 

[hermitical]

even though you start the reply with "Not strange at all chap, Good for you, I hope you achieve your aims and live a happy life"

Seems to be directly in response to my previous post... but whatever, if you say this is just a strange coincidence then so be it

 

[Col_M]

On the plus side if two large companies like TNF and Patagonia drop these farms as suppliers they're going to have a lot of down with no buyer, hopefully some of it makes it to a source where I can get it cheap for making DIY kit!

 

[Biker]

Just my tuppence worth here but instead of pointing the finger at NorthFace and saying they lied to us, how about the other side of the coin and say that the supplier of goose down lied to NorthFace about their apparent green source. Granted Northface should have investigated a bit further but I'm guessing they didn't try too hard becasue they needed to show a profit to the shareholders. But making Northface accountably is a bit harsh, bit like blaming someone for getting stiffed with a pirate DVD at the local bootfair by some dodgy seller.

I see this as another example of the media making imflammatory news reports just because there isn't anything else to get our blood boiling.

I can understand both of your points of view fellas. Buying ethical products should be encouraged to support the little guy, but at the end of the day we are each swayed by a bargain

 

[tinderbox]

even though you start the reply with "Not strange at all chap, Good for you, I hope you achieve your aims and live a happy life"

Seems to be directly in response to my previous post... but whatever, if you say this is just a strange coincidence then so be it

I agree hermetical it looks like Southey is being disingenuous. I do think you're smug though, typical Pythagorean.

 

[Retired Member southey]

Very much like Cadburys and there old fair trade cocoa sources Biker.

 

[Retired Member southey]

I agree hermetical it looks like Southey is being disingenuous. I do think you're smug though, typical Pythagorean.

Are you calling me argumentative or a liar?

 

[tinderbox]

Are you calling me argumentative or a liar?

I didn't call you anything, I called hermetical something.

 

[Retired Member southey]

Hahahahahaha Okay, have a nice day chaps

 

[EdS]

they cocked up but at least their system found the fault in the end.

There are other makes, that don't even bother looking. Not down, but IceBreak aren't the best of companies to name one. Actually, there is als sort of shadyness with merino - synthectics mixed in by the spinner, chemically recovered wool etc..

 

[Adze]

I didn't call you anything, I called hermetical something.

Yes you did - you called him disingenuous. You just didn't say it in direct reply to something he said, nor did you say it directly to him but in an open comment. I wouldn't be at all surprised if southey took offence and felt quite insulted by that, he is to be praised I think for the adult and gentlemanly way in which he has responded.

 

[Bucephalas]

how about the other side of the coin and say that the supplier of goose down lied to NorthFace about their apparent green source

That's what I meant in my original post when I included Apathy and Incompetence.

It could be that they didn't pay much attention to what their suppliers were upto because they couldn't care less or that they genuinely didn't know because they're an incompetent bunch.

It is interesting though that there isn't much of an animal welfare outcry from Bushcrafters when they can be so fastideous in leaving the countryside unspoilt; some to the point of being true tree-huggers.

 

[andybysea]

Bucephalas wrote-''It is interesting though that there isn't much of an animal welfare outcry from Bushcrafters when they can be so fastideous in leaving the countryside unspoilt; some to the point of being true tree-huggers''.

Agreed.

 

[Adze]

Apples with oranges. Not wishing to befoul your own environment isn't the same thing as protesting farming methods. With that said they're closer than some schools of thought, but they're hardly analogous.

 

[knifefan]

At the end of the day companies should not make "claims" that they cannot substantiate !!! They should now be made to remove their claim However, the last thing I would be looking for on a garments label is where or how the down was gathered, who and where it was stitched together and how many gallons of fuel were consumed in the delivery of that product !!! Price and performance would be my personal criteria !! Oh, and yes I now have to by my Foie Gras mail order direct from the supplier in France - but at least I know his name

 

[tinderbox]

Yes you did - you called him disingenuous. You just didn't say it in direct reply to something he said, nor did you say it directly to him but in an open comment. I wouldn't be at all surprised if southey took offence and felt quite insulted by that, he is to be praised I think for the adult and gentlemanly way in which he has responded.

If you read what I said carefully, I think you'll find I was taking southey's side in the debate. Though I must admit I could have worded it better, and made that more obvious.

 

[Q'eyh]

Not surprised.

Never liked northface stuff anyway, call me bitter!

That said, for all that live plucking is a cruel business, it is a sustainable one (assuming the geese eat grass and such) which right now is probably all that matters.

On food: Contrary to public opinion it is not cheaper to produce meat in the factory farm model. The motivation behind this system since the 70's is uniformity and control, not cost. In fact, the factory beef and chicken that is produced now (especially in the Americas) is becoming more expensive and less nutritious year on year because of this desire for uniformity and frankly, intransigence in the face of overwhelming evidence.