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The sheath is alright. It's ambidextrous and designed to be on a belt or neck/baldrick, so covers all those options admirably. Ive seen it in black on some reviews and it looks better IMO. I wonder if the blade is still etched with the BcUK moniker and logo.
 
i will not rise to saying my feelings on the price :(

as for what ive heard mentioned on the steel, O1 is a brilliant steel, the only thing i would take over it would be the mighty rwl34.

That's the problem. It's only about $199 in the US. Sal says the carbon fibre and super steel version with full flat grind is in the works. I'm looking forward to that one, but hate to think what it will retail for here.
 
I think they should drop the price and sell it with mora style sheaths. I bet 98% of the buyers are going to make their own sheaths anyway. That said, the sheath provided does look solid.

the sheath looks to be a fairly basic build anyway so is probably a lot cheaper at the moment than making an expensive mould to make a plastic one

looks solid functional and multi mountable

Im biased any way i like coffin shape neck sheaths ;) but needs a pencil holder too :lmao:

UK price looks to be better than thought when comparing the RRP in $ of the 2 and the UK price before still pricey for the build tho again its a long supply chain and a lot of people taking a slice on the way

that said i found the original wood handles one on sale in USA for eqv £113 before the problems

ATB

Duncan
 
I was going to put this into a new thread but there's an opportunity for a rant in this one, so here goes:

All of this nonsense about this steel is better than that steel is just that; nonsense. Ironically it is often mentioned by those who have never even made a knife or used various knives of different shape/grind in various grades of steel at various hardnesses to thoroughly evaluate and accurately record what they can and cannot do in relation to one another.

All things being equal some testing in America recently highlighted that S30V was, in general, about 15% (ish) better than plain old CPM154CM.

Similar testing suggested that there was hardly any noticeable difference between RWL34 and other mainstream stainless - the claims made that RWL34 is X times tougher than other stainless steels still makes it less than half as tough as the simplest common or garden carbon steel, but you aren't told that because it would undermine the argument for the latest supersteel...

The knife world is a lot more heavily influenced by fashion, fad and marketing than it ought to be.

I could make a knife out of 12C27, 154CM, CPM154CM, S30V, RWL34 and so on and about the only discernible difference to the end user might be detected in sharpening.

12C27 bites differently than the others on abrasives and only someone who is very, very familiar with this will ever notice it.

Similarly D2 and, to a lesser extent, O1 can sometimes be picked out by someone who knows what they are looking for WHILE SHARPENING but in actual use I doubt that there is a knife user on the planet who could tell you what their blade was made from just by using it.

I get a lot of people asking me which stainless they should be using. If you like spending hours finishing a knife then choose S30V (lots of elbow grease required after heat treating) which your client is unlikely to be interested in paying you for...

From the commonly available stainless steels, if you want good edge performance, a very high finish and a seriously tough blade you only have one option available and that is 12C27.

The real kicker here is that people look down their noses at it for some daft reason that they must know of that I don't.

No other stainless is as tough - a few of them offer a more edge retention but nothing that is stainless and that makes a good knife is as tough as 12C27. It is also a pleasure to work with, but everyone is sold down the current trend for RWL34 without the foggiest clue as to why.

A2 offers about 15% more over O1 at the cutting edge on a good day (again, all things being equal) but if you alter the edge geometry just a shade or drop the hardness by a point on either of them the story is very different.

And so, this leads me kicking and screaming onto the broadbrush conclusion which is this: heat treating makes the single biggest difference to a performance blade, closely followed by edge geometry.

Everything else is (almost) incidental and although other parts of the puzzle can have an impact the above forms the core of what makes or breaks the finished article.

Fact: at RC60 and over any steel is more liable to chipping if you put it to hard use.

Fact: the very best of the 'supersteels' is less than half as tough as the simplest of the carbon steels.

Fact: maybe a handful of people on the planet stand the vaguest chance of identifying any given steel by simply using the knife it is made from.

Fact: theory, steel alloying element content percentages and number crunching has absolutely bugger all to do with producing a good knife.

Fact: a Scandi grind is the weakest at the edge (or at least in the bottom two)

Fact: O1 is readily available, relatively easy to machine and low in cost. If anyone wants to twist that this (or any other) O1 knife is too expensive, how much more do they think it might cost if it had to be machined from D2 ?

Fact: sellers will sell at what they think the market will handle.

All companies are in business to make money - they aren't your friend, they aren't trying to do you a favour and in today's economy they certainly aren't out there to give you value for money. They are in the business of maximising their return on investment and the goal is to make a product for the lowest overall cost that can be sold in numbers at the highest margin they think the market can stand.

I fervently wish folks would stop banging on about "I would prefer steel X because..." and similar.

If I was only allowed to use two steels for the rest of my days they would be A2 and 12C27 but, hey, what do I know ?

For everyone who reckons D2 is a poor cousin go and tell Bob Dozier that he's using the wrong stuff...

The problem with D2 is the user, not the steel. Most folks just aren't equipped with the kit or the knowledge to get the best from it so that gets it (often unfairly) branded as a bad choice.

For the record I really like the design and especially the grip shape of the Spyderco Bushcrafter - it's very tactile in use and highly practical.

I think the sheath sucks though.

To recap - heat treating is everything, edge geometry/thickness of blade is next in line, and nobody I know (myself included) could tell 10 knives from 10 steels apart in real world use until they come to sharpen them.

I'll get my coat...
 
my initial thoughts on the syderco where that it was an overpriced woodlore type.

however using a very similar knife The Timberwolf by Gary Mills i can say that the design is exceptional as far as comfort and performance goes, the handle is exceptionaly comfortable and the blade is very usable.
This is my most Favorable edged Tool Combo, The GM timberwolf which is essentialy a slightly beefier spyderco and a 8.3" leuku i made myself.

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It is one of the nicest and most ergonomic knives I've ever used. CC did a cracking job on that shape, glad Spyderco stuck to it so accurately.
 
... and it does still have the BcUK endorsement and black sheath:



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I was going to put this into a new thread but there's an opportunity for a rant in this one, so here goes:

All of this nonsense about this steel is better than that steel is just that; nonsense. Ironically it is often mentioned by those who have never even made a knife or used various knives of different shape/grind in various grades of steel at various hardnesses to thoroughly evaluate and accurately record what they can and cannot do in relation to one another.

All things being equal some testing in America recently highlighted that S30V was, in general, about 15% (ish) better than plain old CPM154CM.

Similar testing suggested that there was hardly any noticeable difference between RWL34 and other mainstream stainless - the claims made that RWL34 is X times tougher than other stainless steels still makes it less than half as tough as the simplest common or garden carbon steel, but you aren't told that because it would undermine the argument for the latest supersteel...

The knife world is a lot more heavily influenced by fashion, fad and marketing than it ought to be.

I could make a knife out of 12C27, 154CM, CPM154CM, S30V, RWL34 and so on and about the only discernible difference to the end user might be detected in sharpening.

12C27 bites differently than the others on abrasives and only someone who is very, very familiar with this will ever notice it.

Similarly D2 and, to a lesser extent, O1 can sometimes be picked out by someone who knows what they are looking for WHILE SHARPENING but in actual use I doubt that there is a knife user on the planet who could tell you what their blade was made from just by using it.

I get a lot of people asking me which stainless they should be using. If you like spending hours finishing a knife then choose S30V (lots of elbow grease required after heat treating) which your client is unlikely to be interested in paying you for...

From the commonly available stainless steels, if you want good edge performance, a very high finish and a seriously tough blade you only have one option available and that is 12C27.

The real kicker here is that people look down their noses at it for some daft reason that they must know of that I don't.

No other stainless is as tough - a few of them offer a more edge retention but nothing that is stainless and that makes a good knife is as tough as 12C27. It is also a pleasure to work with, but everyone is sold down the current trend for RWL34 without the foggiest clue as to why.

A2 offers about 15% more over O1 at the cutting edge on a good day (again, all things being equal) but if you alter the edge geometry just a shade or drop the hardness by a point on either of them the story is very different.

And so, this leads me kicking and screaming onto the broadbrush conclusion which is this: heat treating makes the single biggest difference to a performance blade, closely followed by edge geometry.

Everything else is (almost) incidental and although other parts of the puzzle can have an impact the above forms the core of what makes or breaks the finished article.

Fact: at RC60 and over any steel is more liable to chipping if you put it to hard use.

Fact: the very best of the 'supersteels' is less than half as tough as the simplest of the carbon steels.

Fact: maybe a handful of people on the planet stand the vaguest chance of identifying any given steel by simply using the knife it is made from.

Fact: theory, steel alloying element content percentages and number crunching has absolutely bugger all to do with producing a good knife.

Fact: a Scandi grind is the weakest at the edge (or at least in the bottom two)

Fact: O1 is readily available, relatively easy to machine and low in cost. If anyone wants to twist that this (or any other) O1 knife is too expensive, how much more do they think it might cost if it had to be machined from D2 ?

Fact: sellers will sell at what they think the market will handle.

All companies are in business to make money - they aren't your friend, they aren't trying to do you a favour and in today's economy they certainly aren't out there to give you value for money. They are in the business of maximising their return on investment and the goal is to make a product for the lowest overall cost that can be sold in numbers at the highest margin they think the market can stand.

I fervently wish folks would stop banging on about "I would prefer steel X because..." and similar.

If I was only allowed to use two steels for the rest of my days they would be A2 and 12C27 but, hey, what do I know ?

For everyone who reckons D2 is a poor cousin go and tell Bob Dozier that he's using the wrong stuff...

The problem with D2 is the user, not the steel. Most folks just aren't equipped with the kit or the knowledge to get the best from it so that gets it (often unfairly) branded as a bad choice.

For the record I really like the design and especially the grip shape of the Spyderco Bushcrafter - it's very tactile in use and highly practical.

I think the sheath sucks though.

To recap - heat treating is everything, edge geometry/thickness of blade is next in line, and nobody I know (myself included) could tell 10 knives from 10 steels apart in real world use until they come to sharpen them.

I'll get my coat...


i aggree with what ive heard 12c27 is pretty much the choice ( better in many ways then RWL 34 for Bushcraft use) to use for a lot of stuff and after using a couple of blades in it including a big old chopper I have been trying to get it

But its not made for general use and what ever is in use in the Hobby/ small time maker ie UK knife makers is generally over runs that sandvic have and some body has bought up

so unless you can order 1/4 tonne or what ever the min order is your getting no where ( im working on that )
also seems current stocks in the knife world are getting fairly small now

Ive not tryed A2 yet but it keeps cropping up as a to try

will be using some D2 soon maybe for a job but that's not easy to get either

on price D2 looks like twice that of O1 at the same qty breaks

ATB

Duncan
 
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It is one of the nicest and most ergonomic knives I've ever used. CC did a cracking job on that shape, glad Spyderco stuck to it so accurately.

yes was uniformly said last time that CC did a very nice handle shape and the one i finally got to hold confirmed that

wonder how much he would charge to shape handles ive got a big pile of reasonably priced blanks ;)

maybe a Deval blade Claycombe handle and a Dougster/Black Sheep leather or Rapid boy kydex combo

ATB

Duncan
 
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my initial thoughts on the syderco where that it was an overpriced woodlore type.

however using a very similar knife The Timberwolf by Gary Mills i can say that the design is exceptional as far as comfort and performance goes, the handle is exceptionaly comfortable and the blade is very usable.
This is my most Favorable edged Tool Combo, The GM timberwolf which is essentialy a slightly beefier spyderco and a 8.3" leuku i made myself.

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0043.jpg

And at least Mine are HandMade
Not Factory Made
 
Well my hand made Spydie is brill. And yes mine is handmade

SF, Maybe it's the camera angle but I'm not convinced on the shape of the end of the handle on the one
And it looks like the second pin is off centre so I guess it must be camera angle
Mark
 
dont think its ever been claimed as a hand made knife tho i think its hand finished on the handle due to the complex shape ( i assume copy CNC routed to close then final finish and polish by hand )

handmade dosn't nessiceraly mean good and how far do you go do many makers make their own mosaic pins or loveless/corby bolts or buy in pre cut scales or pre made Micarta does tru hand made mean no power tools at all is GFS pre finished to thickness so mostly machine finished already etc

ATB

Duncan
 
Very true I guess, I've seen some very poor hand made knives on here:yikes:
The quality of the end product is the important thing

Mark
 
I was going to put this into a new thread but there's an opportunity for a rant in this one, so here goes:

All of this nonsense about this steel is better than that steel is just that; nonsense. Ironically it is often mentioned by those who have never even made a knife or used various knives of different shape/grind in various grades of steel at various hardnesses to thoroughly evaluate and accurately record what they can and cannot do in relation to one another.

All things being equal some testing in America recently highlighted that S30V was, in general, about 15% (ish) better than plain old CPM154CM.

Similar testing suggested that there was hardly any noticeable difference between RWL34 and other mainstream stainless - the claims made that RWL34 is X times tougher than other stainless steels still makes it less than half as tough as the simplest common or garden carbon steel, but you aren't told that because it would undermine the argument for the latest supersteel...

The knife world is a lot more heavily influenced by fashion, fad and marketing than it ought to be.

I could make a knife out of 12C27, 154CM, CPM154CM, S30V, RWL34 and so on and about the only discernible difference to the end user might be detected in sharpening.

12C27 bites differently than the others on abrasives and only someone who is very, very familiar with this will ever notice it.

Similarly D2 and, to a lesser extent, O1 can sometimes be picked out by someone who knows what they are looking for WHILE SHARPENING but in actual use I doubt that there is a knife user on the planet who could tell you what their blade was made from just by using it.

I get a lot of people asking me which stainless they should be using. If you like spending hours finishing a knife then choose S30V (lots of elbow grease required after heat treating) which your client is unlikely to be interested in paying you for...

From the commonly available stainless steels, if you want good edge performance, a very high finish and a seriously tough blade you only have one option available and that is 12C27.

The real kicker here is that people look down their noses at it for some daft reason that they must know of that I don't.

No other stainless is as tough - a few of them offer a more edge retention but nothing that is stainless and that makes a good knife is as tough as 12C27. It is also a pleasure to work with, but everyone is sold down the current trend for RWL34 without the foggiest clue as to why.

A2 offers about 15% more over O1 at the cutting edge on a good day (again, all things being equal) but if you alter the edge geometry just a shade or drop the hardness by a point on either of them the story is very different.

And so, this leads me kicking and screaming onto the broadbrush conclusion which is this: heat treating makes the single biggest difference to a performance blade, closely followed by edge geometry.

Everything else is (almost) incidental and although other parts of the puzzle can have an impact the above forms the core of what makes or breaks the finished article.

Fact: at RC60 and over any steel is more liable to chipping if you put it to hard use.

Fact: the very best of the 'supersteels' is less than half as tough as the simplest of the carbon steels.

Fact: maybe a handful of people on the planet stand the vaguest chance of identifying any given steel by simply using the knife it is made from.

Fact: theory, steel alloying element content percentages and number crunching has absolutely bugger all to do with producing a good knife.

Fact: a Scandi grind is the weakest at the edge (or at least in the bottom two)

Fact: O1 is readily available, relatively easy to machine and low in cost. If anyone wants to twist that this (or any other) O1 knife is too expensive, how much more do they think it might cost if it had to be machined from D2 ?

Fact: sellers will sell at what they think the market will handle.

All companies are in business to make money - they aren't your friend, they aren't trying to do you a favour and in today's economy they certainly aren't out there to give you value for money. They are in the business of maximising their return on investment and the goal is to make a product for the lowest overall cost that can be sold in numbers at the highest margin they think the market can stand.

I fervently wish folks would stop banging on about "I would prefer steel X because..." and similar.

If I was only allowed to use two steels for the rest of my days they would be A2 and 12C27 but, hey, what do I know ?

For everyone who reckons D2 is a poor cousin go and tell Bob Dozier that he's using the wrong stuff...

The problem with D2 is the user, not the steel. Most folks just aren't equipped with the kit or the knowledge to get the best from it so that gets it (often unfairly) branded as a bad choice.

For the record I really like the design and especially the grip shape of the Spyderco Bushcrafter - it's very tactile in use and highly practical.

I think the sheath sucks though.

To recap - heat treating is everything, edge geometry/thickness of blade is next in line, and nobody I know (myself included) could tell 10 knives from 10 steels apart in real world use until they come to sharpen them.

I'll get my coat...
Fantastic, wish i could put stuff like that.
 

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