Yes Mac, don't want to hear it might not happen. Maybe you should understand someone with 6 level 3 qualifacations, 30 something level 2, and the rest level 1's might actually be able to find ways? Sorry for not giving up on a goal so fast! But you don't get anywhere without trying. Losing is not an option. Get over it and stop questioning what I plan to do. On the other hand, send me some links that can assist me and you're the man!
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Ash Blue,
This coming from a total newb on the site + a foreigner so take with a grain of salt,...
...but I think you might want to adjust your attitude. I would assume that a large percentage of potential allies/customers/competitors/associates hang around on this site, or know people who do. Basically, and I say this not intending to offend, giving them the finger for being more cynical than you hoped might not be the best practice. Fringe professions (whick I think buskcraft is everywhere, UK included) tend to be quite a close knit fellowship. Fame and infamy spread fast and labels stick.
And kudos for an engaging, challenging, intriguing and important career choice. I hope you make it and all the best wishes.
-jh
This coming from a total newb on the site + a foreigner so take with a grain of salt,...
...but I think you might want to adjust your attitude. I would assume that a large percentage of potential allies/customers/competitors/associates hang around on this site, or know people who do. Basically, and I say this not intending to offend, giving them the finger for being more cynical than you hoped might not be the best practice. Fringe professions (whick I think buskcraft is everywhere, UK included) tend to be quite a close knit fellowship. Fame and infamy spread fast and labels stick.
And kudos for an engaging, challenging, intriguing and important career choice. I hope you make it and all the best wishes.
-jh
I'm sorry but telling me to get me head out of the clouds is not something I will listen to. I've already phoned a few places and their helping me with the £3000 funding. That was from the helpful posts to this thread. Get the idea yet? Getting my head out of the clouds would mean I wouldn't have phoned around and got somewhere this fast.
Once again thanks to those who replied with useful links and encouragment. To the others, you shouldn't try to discourage people so fast. Some people actually have the will to go through with goals.
Edit: To Graham, I have 41 NCFE's (6 level 3's) - Didn't cost me a thingThanks for the post Graham, good idea to ask the survival schools to help out. I'll definitly be taking that advice.
Thanks for the encouragment barn owl.
Jinsin, I know money seems like an issue, but my stepdad's dad lives in israel and has several millions of pounds from selling his tank cleaning business over here. He's willing to help out after the qualifacations once he knows I have been smart enough to get that far. I said to him one day I'd like to start my own survival school.
Coln, people may have more knowledge of bushcraft here, but no one should ever think they know better for someones ambition and ability to see through obsticles. This is why it annoyed me that a few jumped on the bandwagon right away.
Thanks nova for the reply. Yes i'm unwilling to take other people views, but only when it doesn't lead to benefitial results. Like I said about the useful posts, I took their helpful views and already got somewhere with them.
wow. don't become an instructor i've worked in outdoor education for 2 years and if you get riled up so easily by people you've never met, never spoken to in real life, and you admit to not taking other people's views then you really aren't cut out for it. the number 1 attribute of any instructor is, and always will be, PATIENCE
Well you may not give up on it and good for you but from your replies to me and others in this thread it is quite clear your communication skills are awful.
you haven't taken a single thing out of this which isn't what you want to hear.
The fact is that as said if you aren't exceedingly cheap or come highly recommended you aren't going to get anywhere.
Flash around all the qualifications you want mate it is obviously getting you very far in life! ...oh wait.
If you refer to one of my earlier posts you will see I actually was trying to help you by asking questions. What do you bring to the table as a teacher? go 15 years experience? I don't know you haven't told us. Give me something to work with and I will do the best I can to help you out.
Oh hang on - questions?? pupils ask questions don't they?
I am going to offer you some helpful advice - Join the TA. Join while you earn the cash for your dream. It will do you a lot of good.
Outside of that - I whole heartedly wish you the best of luck - do report back in 3 years and invite me to your bushcraft school.
Andy
Could you not just start at the bottom of an IT company and practice bushcraft in your spare time for a few years, if you settled for a half decent IT job just to get by it's not going to take you long to save £3000 if your hearts really set on it.
You should post up some of your skills/experience on your next post as it might stop people jumping to conclusions.
Again good luck.
You should post up some of your skills/experience on your next post as it might stop people jumping to conclusions.
Again good luck.
Welcome JH,
Now thats a nice valid engaging and well put across point. And yes over here the Bushcraft community is like the fellowship of the ring....tight knit but some members are rather dwarf like with big hairy beards, but we will forgive them...
Ash, this site is a great resource of information, calm it down or next time you need some help in some matter, you will find that no one will want to answer you because of your - lets say spirited manner.
Have you tried phoning Bear yet, you might fit in with his gun ho style of bushcraft mate.....
Col
they aren't stupid comments mate you've been given some good advice and then gobbed off at everyone for doing it. i don't really get why you'd bother getting 47 IT qualifications then do a u-turn and decide to become a bushcraft instructor
Ash Blue,
Ok some advice nothing more. You dont actually need any qualification to start a Bushcraft School in the UK if your target client group is 18+.. A decent First aid course, Some land and permssion to operate and some Public Liability Insurance and away you go. You'll need some business acumen and a decent marketing campaign might also be a good Idea.
The above assumes you have some 'Bushcraft Skills' to begin with and there might also be an assumption that you can deliver efectively to your client group.
From my understanding the NCFE Bushcraft course on offer requires a basic level of skill and then builds on that.
You might also consider if it's a good idea to have a business base that's quite narrowly focused with just 'bushcraft' or 'survival' provision. So you might consider getting some qualifications in some traditional outdoor pursuits so you can offer instruction / experiences in those areas. To build a robust business it helps to have as many strings to your bow as possible.
HTH
Ok some advice nothing more. You dont actually need any qualification to start a Bushcraft School in the UK if your target client group is 18+.. A decent First aid course, Some land and permssion to operate and some Public Liability Insurance and away you go. You'll need some business acumen and a decent marketing campaign might also be a good Idea.
The above assumes you have some 'Bushcraft Skills' to begin with and there might also be an assumption that you can deliver efectively to your client group.
From my understanding the NCFE Bushcraft course on offer requires a basic level of skill and then builds on that.
You might also consider if it's a good idea to have a business base that's quite narrowly focused with just 'bushcraft' or 'survival' provision. So you might consider getting some qualifications in some traditional outdoor pursuits so you can offer instruction / experiences in those areas. To build a robust business it helps to have as many strings to your bow as possible.
HTH
Nice, I'll second you Ged on subscribing to this!
Ash, you're doing a great job on giving up the thing you did (or didn't) and making a sudden change and carrer in bushcraft. There is a lot of ways a young man can change his life and if you're really willing you'll do that. I would love to see you suceed and that would be a great inspiration to many. But before you join schools or courses, maybe you should travel your country first? See people, meet some bushcrafters on moots. "Feel the vibes dude", write some articles and make something you would like to share with others, see if this is what you're and if you're doing OK. "Couse to my mind without all this there is no bushcraft, no matter you're instructor or what.........
Ash, you're doing a great job on giving up the thing you did (or didn't) and making a sudden change and carrer in bushcraft. There is a lot of ways a young man can change his life and if you're really willing you'll do that. I would love to see you suceed and that would be a great inspiration to many. But before you join schools or courses, maybe you should travel your country first? See people, meet some bushcrafters on moots. "Feel the vibes dude", write some articles and make something you would like to share with others, see if this is what you're and if you're doing OK. "Couse to my mind without all this there is no bushcraft, no matter you're instructor or what.........
How are they stupid comments when they are just people offering honest opinions, regardless of whether you agree with their views or not?
We have been on this forum for only a few months and haven't provoked quite the same response! Likewise there are new members every day who receive warm welcomes in the Introductions and Welcomes section, join in discussions and become regular contributors to discussions.
juhirvon's response was a good one. It is a close knit community but that doesn't make it exclusive to those who genuinely want and make the effort to join in.
We have been on this forum for only a few months and haven't provoked quite the same response! Likewise there are new members every day who receive warm welcomes in the Introductions and Welcomes section, join in discussions and become regular contributors to discussions.
juhirvon's response was a good one. It is a close knit community but that doesn't make it exclusive to those who genuinely want and make the effort to join in.
...You've still not mentioned any specialist skills/experience you have, seriously mate if you turn out to be Raymondo Mears protege then this will stop people posting 'stupid comments' but until you stop bragging about meaningless IT qualifications on a bushcraft forum then I think it would be wise to post up what qualities you have that would make you a good instructor rather than just a keen interest that's suddenly happened in the last few years.
Good points there Scotty, i'll go first then - I'D make a great instructor cause im prettier than everyone on here and i know how to use a lighter, hows that for starters.
Col
Yeah you would be a good instructor, until you swapped all your survival kit for Absinthe!! :yikes:
After taking you out of the inner city slums and getting you taught how to spell, you still cant spell MANSERVANT-guru indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!
Col
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Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Good advice there. I'm kinda lucky, I knew early on that i wanted an outdoors job... Was 13 or 15 there bouts. But getting a job in the environmental sector ain't easy. I volunteered in local Scout camp, with btcv, wildlife trust and with local ranger service. Went to uni and then took me a few years to get my first official ranger post. Had to work in pubs and shops to make ends meet, even worked in offices (shudder).
If you really want to change directions it can be done. Some of my fellow rangers had totally different jobs before becoming rangers but they had a rougher ride than I did.
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