Mors Kochanski knife test strength

May 20, 2007
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Reading through Mors Kochanski Bush Craft for the first time, and in the knifecraft section Mors states the following:

"As a test of strength, a good knife should not break when driven four centimetres into a standing tree at righ angles to the grain, and the handle bears your weight as you stand on it"

This is not going to work with a Frost Mora Clipper with me weighing 13 stone is it?
 

JonnyP

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Have you re profiled your F1 down to 2mm? So it's pure Vg10 now then!

No, Red means one of the knives I made...I designed it on the F1, same shape, but made out of a hack saw blade, so only 2mm thick....Thats why is says he will test his knife on the above test if I test my knife....
 

C_Claycomb

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The discussion on British Blades has really degenerated off topic. Somewhere on this site there is a thread where OldJimbo posts links to the movies in question.

British Red has put it very clearly. That is all the test proves.

The reason for filming it was to prove to people that a cheap stick tang was strong enough to take abuse, let alone what bushcraft usually calls for. There have been, and still are, many people who go on about how a knife needs to be about 4mm thick, with a full, untapered, tang, in order to be strong enough for real use. I think I read one guy saying he wouldn't even drill holes to lighten a 4mm thick full tang because it would weaken it. That test with a cheap little Kellam stick tang was meant to give the lie to those concerns. I think it proves its point rather well.

As for why Mors suggests the technique, well, I can think of two reasons. The first is that he uses that technique to fell quite large trees in Canada, not from choice of course, but it is possible. Mors commented at the Moot last year that the wood we get here is different from that he is used to, both in hardness and in BTU, so it might be hard to reproduce his results in the UK. The other reason I can think of for Mors using that as a test is that he knows that surprisingly small knives, like the little Mora, are capable of serious work. How do you prove to someone raised with things like Ka-bar combat knives, that this dinky little Mora is tough enough? Well, Mors knows that its tough enough, and hammering it into a tree is a way of demonstrating it to people who are skeptical.
 

British Red

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I work on the points system in life. People earn points for making sense and positive contributions and lose points for being foolish and destructive. Mors has a very large positive balance so I'm sure he had his reasons for saying it. Its an odd thing to do but as CC says, he probably had his reasons. At the time he wrote the book it may well have been as simple as "not a folder and with a solid tang"

Red
 

Shing

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I think a knife is made to cut and in some cases made big and heavy enough to chop with some degree of effectiveness.

I don'ts see why people would want to use what is clearly a small knife to cut through a big branch when the proper tool is an axe or saw or at least a big knife. There are plenty of axes and folding saws that are small and light enough for fairly easy carry. Some people might think an axe is too heavy to carry but think of the energy you'll have to expend trying to cut through a big tree branch with a small, light weight 3-4 inch knife.

I suppose it appeals to the showman to stand on a knife or make it cut through a thick branch but I don't see the value of making an implement do what it is not designed for and not have one that has been designed to do the job unless its unavoidable. I also think apart from small folders, all fixed blade knives should be able to withstand at least 100 kilo load at the handle and its quite easy to make a knife that can.

Its one thing to stick a knife in a tree and stand on it but that is a static load in one direction. Knives are subject to shock loads and repeated bending that can fatigue the metal and the handle attachments and cause eventual failure.
 

C_Claycomb

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Good points Shing. However, Mors was not using that test as an example of how a small knife was as good as a large one for felling trees, or trying to say it was a substitute for an axe. If you ask Mors what he considers to be a survival saw, he goes straight to a BIG Swede saw, about 30 inches. He favours saws above axes and axes above knives for cutting big wood. However, he knows from experience that when in the bush you may not have the ideal tool to hand. If you find yourself in need of poles or fire wood and the ideal tool is not to hand, isn't it better to know how to get the most from the tools you have rather than bemoan your deficiency?
 

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If you abuse knives to that extent you shouldn't be surprised if you end up with a prybar in a sheath when you ask for a knife.

The reason that mortice chisels are shaped the way they are is because they get this kind of hammer.

Does anyone want to use a mortice chisel as a knife?
I don't.
 

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