knife laws...

[_scorpio_]

if this turns into another knife law rant/debate i want it closed. its just a question/idea.
why aren't knives without points legal? if the tip of the blade was just square with a slightly rounded top (like a knife i am planning to make) it would be all but impossible to stab someone with it and as i can see this is how pretty much all knife crimes are committed. of course they would have to be under a certain size (i.e. not a heavy chopping tool, the 3" law would still be good). this way it could be legal for people to carry a fixed blade knife without having to plan their routes before going somewhere and having to explain to pc plod and they may not believe you etc.

 

[bushcraft_lad]

It's still sharpened at the edge thus making it easy to "slash" someone although i can see where your coming from as most injury's are stabbing's it's our law it's rather broken for lack of better word's if you ask me.

regards,

 

[_scorpio_]

yea but slashing is easily achievable too with a sub 3" non locking folder...

 

[Asa Samuel]

As has been said it is still possible to slash with a knife without a point. Also, there has to be some leniency when it comes to knife laws and a sub 3" non-locking folder is a good mark.

 

[HillBill]

Plus the rounded edge can be sharpened, it will still go deep with a rounded edge, as it is still thin.

 

[_scorpio_]

there would be no point sharpening it to a point because if it was legal before then made illegal to be used as a weapon why wouldn't you just use a normal pointed knife. same as if i mod one of my non lockers so that it will lock i am making it illegal and may as well just use a lock knife.

 

[sticks65]

I think a knife that has a rounded end could still penetrate the skin and do serious damage if enough force is used.

 

[HillBill]

there would be no point sharpening it to a point because if it was legal before then made illegal to be used as a weapon why wouldn't you just use a normal pointed knife. same as if i mod one of my non lockers so that it will lock i am making it illegal and may as well just use a lock knife.

I meant put a bevel around the rounded tip, not sharpen it to a point.

 

[Tony]

A knife with no tip will still penetrate for a stab wound, it would just make it more messy, Martyn probably knows more about the results of it than i would be I know that it would have to be a large flat area to prevent penetration (although it does depend on how hard your stabbing) and the inherent size of most knives it's still going to be a small(ish) surface area in contact.

I would imagine the law will say it's a knife no matter what you do to the point.

 

[FGYT]

the law says Sharply pointed or bladed Artical

so either part makes it subject and there is no mention of the word knife except in the Exemtion for a penknife with a sub 3" cutting edge

i suppose technically a folding pocket knife thats 2foot long folded and 4ft long unfolded but only had the end 2.75" sharpened with an edge is legal as long as its not locking and you have the 2ft pocket to put it in .

ATB

Duncan

 

[Tony]

I think you'd have to keep that one up your sleeve

 

[Asa Samuel]

This isn't a knife law rant so it's allowed.

I just get a bit miffed when people on here say that a fixed blade/lock knife/folder with more than a 3" blade is illegal when it's not. I get what you mean that it's not an every day carry but those knives certainly are not illegal otherwise everyone on this forum wouldn't be carrying them! Just phrase yourself differently.

 

[Itzal]

This isn't a knife law rant so it's allowed.

I just get a bit miffed when people on here say that a fixed blade/lock knife/folder with more than a 3" blade is illegal when it's not. I get what you mean that it's not an every day carry but those knives certainly are not illegal otherwise everyone on this forum wouldn't be carrying them! Just phrase yourself differently.

You mean they are not illegal if you have lawful authority or reasonable excuse?

 

[Asa Samuel]

You mean they are not illegal if you have lawful authority or reasonable excuse?

Exactly! Lots of people use the phrase "They are illegal" but they are not so long as you have a reason for carrying it.

 

[gregorach]

if this turns into another knife law rant/debate i want it closed. its just a question/idea.
why aren't knives without points legal?

It's not so long ago that the standard weapon of choice for gang members (at least in this part of the world) was the "malky" (straight razor).

 

[Itzal]

Exactly! Lots of people use the phrase "They are illegal" but they are not so long as you have a reason for carrying it.

Quite right, its unfortunate the minority spoil it for the majority. Maybe we should lobby for a new bit of legislation and call it "The Common sense Act" where we take a group of people from the public and let them decide if the persons intent was to cause harm. Any supporters

 

[Tadpole]

It's not so long ago that the standard weapon of choice for gang members (at least in this part of the world) was the "malky" (straight razor).

In Bristol it is a Stanly with two blades side by side, when they cut, they cut out a 1/16 in strip of skin between the two blade, and it leaves a ugly scar.

 

[gregorach]

Maybe we should lobby for a new bit of legislation and call it "The Common sense Act" where we take a group of people from the public and let them decide if the persons intent was to cause harm. Any supporters

Isn't that called "trial by jury"? I'm pretty sure we already have it.

 

[Itzal]

Isn't that called "trial by jury"? I'm pretty sure we already have it.

I meant a simplified version, have you been to court and seen the amount of inadmissible evidence it cannot use. The system has evolved over so many years it has become the most complicated system about. Maybe its time to go backwards.

 

[HillBill]

We need a court of law. A proper one, court de jure.

We only have legal courts ( court de facto) which support legislation, all the things folk think are LAW are in fact not, and are just legislation. LAW over rules legislation yet we do not have a court of LAW.