Kit that has never been bettered

Hoodoo

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Silva type 4 compass simple and works.

Yes, but are there better compasses?

I'll throw out hand-held GPS into the works. Wasn't a big fan until I discovered how useful they were in complete darkness. Nothing bushcrafty about them but I rarely go into the woods without one (AND a good compass :) ).
 

Beardy

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Interesting. I have drunk straight from the stream with no filtration (or river, or waterfall, or other running water source) when in hilly areas (Iceland, Norway) with a low population density and when the water is coming from land not under agriculture (no pesticides or dead livestock in the water then). I've done the same in Snowdonia too, when the water is coming directly off a rocky part of the mountain. Some of the best tasting and cleanest looking water has been found this way :)

Is this considered unsafe? I thought that as the water has effectively just been distilled and fallen as rainfall onto rock, there shouldn't be anything too untoward in it? Obviously I'm not talking about gulping it up from some stagnant pond.
 
Interesting. I have drunk straight from the stream with no filtration (or river, or waterfall, or other running water source) when in hilly areas (Iceland, Norway) with a low population density and when the water is coming from land not under agriculture (no pesticides or dead livestock in the water then). I've done the same in Snowdonia too, when the water is coming directly off a rocky part of the mountain. Some of the best tasting and cleanest looking water has been found this way :)

Is this considered unsafe? I thought that as the water has effectively just been distilled and fallen as rainfall onto rock, there shouldn't be anything too untoward in it? Obviously I'm not talking about gulping it up from some stagnant pond.

I have done the same thing on the edge of Dartmoor, just a couple hundred feet from the spring itself, so it's easy to check for contaminates. Most rock and stone act as the filter in these cases, if sphagnum moss is present, this also acts as a biological filter. Most water sources in the UK are safe to drink from, but like you say, it's dead animals and wash runoff from agricultural land, that can make it "unsafe". Filtration just covers your back against any misjudgments or unforeseen problems.
 

santaman2000

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Yes, but are there better compasses?

I'll throw out hand-held GPS into the works. Wasn't a big fan until I discovered how useful they were in complete darkness. Nothing bushcrafty about them...

They're not traditional but they ARE a means to navigate in the bush. Just as STOVES aren't traditional (taken literally, only fire was traditional) but they ARE a means to prep food in the bush. With that in mind, how is GPS any less bushcrafty than stoves? Or any other kit for that matter?
 

Neil1

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Most water sources in the UK are safe to drink from, but like you say, it's dead animals and wash runoff from agricultural land, that can make it "unsafe". Filtration just covers your back against any misjudgments or unforeseen problems.

That is quite a statement to make! Especially to the uninformed!
In wild country areas - what you have said is probably true (most of the time), but for "most water sources in the UK" (sadly) it is not. Filtration removes particulate matter only. Purification (either chemical or by boiling) should be a matter of course before consumption. Just looking at the map to see what is in the area may not be reliable (a heavy downpour of rain twenty miles away can cause a storm drain to overflow, run down a lane, into a ditch , which then flows into a gully, that flows into a stream (fed by a spring) - where you are collecting water!
I contracted gastroenteritis under these circumstances many years ago - a mistake not to be repeated!
Water is a requirement for life, so every precaution should be taken.
If you require advise talk to someone who knows - Leon1 (my brother) has been tasked with providing safe water for extended periods for groups up to battilion strength.
Hope this helps
Neil
 

TENTPEGS

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Money, especially coins have been around for thousands of years only the pattern /value have changed. we would be in a poor (pun) state without them. Paper money is too fragile to last in individual pieces it burns, blows away, mice destroy them etc. hard cash for me.
 

santaman2000

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Money, especially coins have been around for thousands of years only the pattern /value have changed. we would be in a poor (pun) state without them. Paper money is too fragile to last in individual pieces it burns, blows away, mice destroy them etc. hard cash for me.

Sadly both are being replaced with plastic.
 
That is quite a statement to make! Especially to the uninformed!
In wild country areas - what you have said is probably true (most of the time), but for "most water sources in the UK" (sadly) it is not. Filtration removes particulate matter only. Purification (either chemical or by boiling) should be a matter of course before consumption. Just looking at the map to see what is in the area may not be reliable (a heavy downpour of rain twenty miles away can cause a storm drain to overflow, run down a lane, into a ditch , which then flows into a gully, that flows into a stream (fed by a spring) - where you are collecting water!
I contracted gastroenteritis under these circumstances many years ago - a mistake not to be repeated!
Water is a requirement for life, so every precaution should be taken.
If you require advise talk to someone who knows - Leon1 (my brother) has been tasked with providing safe water for extended periods for groups up to battilion strength.
Hope this helps
Neil

Apologies for being misleading with the "Most water sources" comment. I simply meant genuine sources, such as springs and direct runs from them. Never in my experience have I ever come across a gully leading into a stream at source, or within a few hundred feet of them. Also the likelihood of a storm drain overflowing and reaching such a water source is incredibly remote. It would have to evade every other drainage system in place, between it and the stream/gully, make it across land that acts as a soak-away, retain it's concentration through the entire process, and for you to be unlucky enough to be at the receiving end. I agree that in times of severe flooding, this could happen, in which case all water within 20-30 miles would have the possibility of contamination.
On the matter of filtration, I did say (in this post)that it removes all debris, which is particulates and upward. If you are going to the trouble of filtering the water, you obviously believe there is a need to purify, so I assume boiling or puritab will follow that.
The last consideration is, many of us "outdoorsy" types have reinforced immune systems for mild contamination (at least if you spend any amount of time getting dirty and burying your excrement with a folding trowel :)), so the risk of intestinal disturbance is greatly reduced. I was sleeping in puddles and drinking ditch (well near enough anyway :p) water 12 years ago in the Anglians, never suffered gut rot then, only with the end-ex curry haha. People sometimes drink from the hot tap in their houses, which comes from the tank in their loft (or other, if in a flat). These tanks contain dead insects, dust, dirt, debris, sometimes dead rodents in old buildings.
 

Beardy

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People sometimes drink from the hot tap in their houses, which comes from the tank in their loft (or other, if in a flat). These tanks contain dead insects, dust, dirt, debris, sometimes dead rodents in old buildings.

Always hate it when someone tries filling up the kettle or a saucepan from the hot tap to 'make it faster to boil' something in. I actually hadn't thought of all the things you have mentioned, just was thinking about metals and materials used in the boiler and tank and had a gut feeling it was a bad thing (why would they have used food grade components in an old hot water system?). Bleurgh!
 

BillyBlade

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Reagards plastic replacing cash and coin, well, only if we as individuals allow it. I prefer to use cash wherever possible, as I neither trust nor agree with the plastic society.

I'm a great believer that much of the Uk's ill's could be solved if we stopped paying wages etc into banks, and went back to physical folding cash being signed over to workers on a Friday etc. At the moment, it's just numbers on an ATM screen, and hence in only one generation has removed the responsibility of people from their individual finances. Hence why we have a massively indebted populus.

I also dont agree with RFID tags in paper money. The Euro has them, the Sterling, thankfully, not yet.

If it gets to the point where cash is actively discouraged, I'll move to a country where it isn't, and take the taxes I pay with me to my new hosts.
 
just was thinking about metals and materials used in the boiler and tank and had a gut feeling it was a bad thing (why would they have used food grade components in an old hot water system?). Bleurgh!

Very good point there. Old buildings (as almost everyone knows) often used lead piping. Not all of these lead pipes were replaced, no matter what the landowner might say. Lead poisoning, along with other metals, is a cumulative poison, which cannot be removed. This is much worse than a "slightly iffy tummy". Even if you have to suffer a month of bad bowel movements, it will get better. Lead poisoning wont :(
 

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People sometimes drink from the hot tap in their houses, which comes from the tank in their loft (or other, if in a flat). These tanks contain dead insects, dust, dirt, debris, sometimes dead rodents in old buildings.

Most houses are on direct hot water now and don't even have a cold tank.
 

santaman2000

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Reagards plastic replacing cash and coin, well, only if we as individuals allow it. I prefer to use cash wherever possible, as I neither trust nor agree with the plastic society...

If it gets to the point where cash is actively discouraged, I'll move to a country where it isn't, and take the taxes I pay with me to my new hosts.

Not sure where you'll go mate, it seems to be trending that direction worldwide. I do agree with your views though.
 

Trunks

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My contact lenses! There's nothing worse than trying to tie knots etc with glasses on in the positing rain.
 

BillyBlade

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83? They predate ALICE; they go back to WWII. But the canteen was metal then and the mug had a fold under handle instead of the current butterfly design, so technically they have been "bettered."

I dont doubt it, I was just stating the date when I bought mine. Noting that it was before Crusader kit. Thats all.

FWIW, the Boer farmers used to carry a metal canteen and metal cup as one arrangement, and that was quite a ways before WW2.
 

BillyBlade

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Not sure where you'll go mate, it seems to be trending that direction worldwide. I do agree with your views though.

There are still a few places in South America that aren't in some headlong rush to build the society we have here in the West. One where the commoner is a slave, via debt, to the system. Hence why no civil unrest in the UK just now like we had in the 1970's, as now the populace is so far in the hole with a mortgage and 10 credit cards, fuel bills and phone bills, they know that they are one wage cheque away from losing the lot.

I have a chance of a contract out in Brazil again next year, TBH I can see me taking it. There are worse places in the world.
 

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