How to waterproof heavy cotton/canvas?

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paulnb57

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Nov 18, 2007
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Folks

Id like to make a canvas document style bag from heavy cotton/canvas and would like to waterproof it. Any suggestions on how to waterproof it. Having made my own beeswax polish for leather, a homebrew recipe for waterproofing cloth would be nice - similar to that used on wax jackets.................

Cheers

Paul
 

StigOfTheDump

Tenderfoot
Jan 26, 2007
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Horace Kepharts book Camping and Woodcraft contains a recipe as follows:

Waterproofing Cloth at Home. — If one has
home facilities, there is no reason why he should not
make a good job of waterproofing for himself.

Paraffine Process. — The cheapest, simplest, and, in
some respects, the most satisfactory way is to get a cake
or two of paraffine or cerasine, lay the tent on a table
rub the outer side with the wax until it has a good coat-
ing evenly distributed, then iron the cloth with a medium-
hot flatiron, which melts the wax and runs it into every
pore of the cloth. The more closely woven the cloth, the
less wax and less total weight.

Some prefer to treat the tent with a solution of paraffine.
In this case, cut the wax into shavings so it will dis-
solve readily. Put 2 lbs. of the wax in 2 gallons of tur-
pentine (for a 7x9 tent or thereabouts). Place the ves-
sel in a tub of hot water until solution is completed.
Meantime set up the tent true and taut. Then paint it
with the hot solution, working rapidly, and using a stiff
brush. Do this on a sunny morning and let tent stand
until quite dry. The turpentine adds a certain elasticity
to the wax; benzine does not.

For tents to be used in cold weather before an
open fire, the following process is better:

Alum and Sugar of Lead. — First soak the tent over-
night in water to rid it of sizing, and hang up to dry.
Then get enough soft water to make the solutions (rain-
water is best; some city waters will do, others are too
hard). Have two tubs or wash-boilers big enough for
the purpose. In one, dissolve alum in hot soft water,
in the proportion of 34 Jt). to the gallon. In the other,
with the same amount of hot water, dissolve sugar of
lead (lead acetate — a poison) in the same proportion.
Let the solutions stand until clear; then add the sugar
of lead solution to the alum liquor. Let stand about four
hours, or until all the lead sulphate has precipitated.
Then pour off the clear liquor from the dregs into the
other tub, thoroughly work the tent in it with the hands
until every part is quite penetrated, and let soak over-
night. In the morning, rinse well, stretch, and hang up
to dry.

A closely woven cloth should be used.

This treatment fixes acetate of alumina in the fibers of
the cloth. The final rinsing is to cleanse the fabric from
the useless white powder of sulphate of lead that is de-
posited on it. Failures are usually due to using hard
water, or a less proportion of alum than here recom-
mended, or to not dissolving the chemicals separately and
decanting off the clear liquor. When directions are fol-
lowed, the cloth will be rain-proof and practically spark-
proof, but not damp-proof if you use it as a ground-sheet
to lie on, or if exposed to friction. After a good deal of
use, the tent will need treating over again, as the mineral
deposit gradually washes out.

Remember that cotton goods shrink considerably when
first soaked.

Alum and Soap. — Shave up about a pound of laundry
soap and dissolve it in 2 gallons of hot water. Soak the
cloth in it, dry out thoroughly, and then soak in an alum
solution as above, and dry again.

I have had no success with the alum and lime
method mentioned by " Nessmuk."

Good waterproofing compounds can be purchased
teady-made from some tent-makers.

The following recipes, although not suitable for
tents, are useful for other articles of equipment, and
are included here while on the subject of water-
proofing cloth:

Oiled Cloth. — For groupd-sheets to use under bedding:
get some of the best grade of boiled linseed oil of a
reputable paint dealer. One quart will cover five or six
square yards of heavy sheeting. Pour it into a pan big
■enough to dip your hand into. Lay out the cloth and rub
the oil into it between your palms, using just enough oil
at a time to soak the cloth through, filling the pores, but
leaving no surplus. Then stretch it in a barn or garret,
or other dry shady place, for one week. Finish drying by
hanging in the sunlight three or four days, fi .st one side
up, then the other.

Apologies for wierd spelling mistakes as its taken from an OCR scan of the book that is free online and in the public domain here:
http://openlibrary.org/works/OL4965672W/Camping_and_woodcraft
 

sasquatch

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Could you put the beeswax on then iron with wax paper on top? Not sure if it would work but couldn't see why not.
 

shaggystu

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Nov 10, 2003
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Could you put the beeswax on then iron with wax paper on top? Not sure if it would work but couldn't see why not.

i would've thought that a tumble dryer would work better than an iron, i'd expect that being thrown around in the dryer for a few hours would work the wax right down into the fibres, whereas the iron method would tend to leave the wax sitting on top on the fabric? i might be entirely wrong, i hope not though because i've got loads of polycotton that i'm hoping to wax in just this way and mother'll be most uspest if i break her tumble dryer (inevitable i think, although i have managed to convince her that "it'll be fine", she'll learn one day) and i don't even end up with some nice waxed cotton!

if you want to oil cotton to make it waterproof that is simplicity itself, put your bolt of cloth in a bucket, fill the bucket with oil (i've used linseed in the past), leave to soak for a while, hang up somewhere where the drips won't cause too much damage (mother'll probably still be annoyed about her tumble dryer, the last thing you want to do is drip on her best rug, trust me) leave to dry for a while. ta da.

waxed cotton and oiled cotton both suffer from the same problem in that when new they feel horrible (waxy/oily surprisingly enough) one way to deal with that is to put them in a cold tumble dryer with a few chunks of sandstone (or similar) and leave the rocks to beat the beejesus out of your fabric (the washing machine will make a lot of noise, but that won't matter, you'll be out rug shopping) the dust from the rocks will get rid of the horrible sticky feeling that new oiled/waxed fabrics have.

cheers

stuart
 

sasquatch

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Jun 15, 2008
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one way to deal with that is to put them in a cold tumble dryer with a few chunks of sandstone (or similar) and leave the rocks to beat the beejesus out of your fabric (the washing machine will make a lot of noise, but that won't matter, you'll be out rug shopping) the dust from the rocks will get rid of the horrible sticky feeling that new oiled/waxed fabrics have.

Bloody hell Stuart! You must have a very understanding mom! Mine would have killed me for even mentioning such things! I figured with the iron you'd have to flip it over and do both sides possibly a couple times but the dryer thing definately sounds better.
 

StigOfTheDump

Tenderfoot
Jan 26, 2007
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Im not sure whether i am out of my mind.
I did prefix it with "Horace Kepharts book Camping and Woodcraft contains a recipe as follows:"
It was more on a food for thought sort of basis.
 

shaggystu

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Nov 10, 2003
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Derbyshire
Bloody hell Stuart! You must have a very understanding mom!......

she's ace to be honest, she's put up with so much for so long from both me and my little brother that i think she's given in now, we always try and mend the things we break!

with the tumble dryer, from what i've read then so long as you keep the temperature fairly low then the wax won't damage it at all, rocks on the other hand are going to trash the thing! an old tumble dryer or washing machine from the dump might be an idea, i have a friend who used to make glass jewellery and they used to use an old tumble dryer with a plastic tub of sand in it to "age" the glass, that's where the thought came from.

cheers

stuart
 

treadlightly

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Jan 29, 2007
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So if I used a wax compound designed for barbour style jackets on an old pair of cotton chinos that I have lying around, they would be waterproof? I guess the weave of the cotton would be looser and wax might make it unpleasant to wear but they're old and its probably worth the risk. I might try it.
 

Ray Britton

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I used to apply Nixwax straight from the tin, to my bush hats, using my fingers. Once enough was on, I would use a hair dryer to melt the wax into the material. Hey presto, not only were the hats proofed enough to shed any rain, but could also be used (upside down) to hold water with no leaks.

Good luck with your project...and post some pics when its done. :)
 

treadlightly

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Ok, I've just applied a third of a tin of Grangers wax dressing to the trousers then ironed the wax compound into the material. Then I put them under the tap and, doh! there was no beading of water, instead the cotton absorbed it almost like it was untreated.

Then I rubbed in a fair amount of linseed oil but it still refused to shed water.

I think it might be be the twill weave which is so open it is not going to become waterproof without a huge heavy coating of wax on the surface.

I guess the cotton used to make wax jackets is of a much tighter weave??

Anyway, I intend to carry on experimenting...
 

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