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Heads Up: New RM "Bushcraft Knife" made by SWC
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Well, now is the time to start investing in your retirement fund. If I were you, I'd order 300. And while your at it, throw in some underwear.
Good on Steve! Had one of his knives for a few years now and recon its pretty good.
Irrespective of who makes them, if they are endorsed by Ray, they they'll meet his specifications and that can only be good for the maker. The value of the item is only what one person will pay above another, but if its drawer queens they want, it'll be drawer queens they get - real knives will be used for their intended purpose.
Ogri the trog
Irrespective of who makes them, if they are endorsed by Ray, they they'll meet his specifications and that can only be good for the maker. The value of the item is only what one person will pay above another, but if its drawer queens they want, it'll be drawer queens they get - real knives will be used for their intended purpose.
Ogri the trog
Well, now is the time to start investing in your retirement fund. If I were you, I'd order 300. And while your at it, throw in some underwear.
LMAO!!
Yup the official Ray Mears underwear goes up in value aswell
i doubt this one will go up that much for the moment, unless woodlore have a waiting list,
but when SWC retires they will be up there with the AW i should imagine
I don't usually participate in these sorts of threads that have people's opinions banded about like sabres, but as i've been quite closely involved in the spyderco project for over 3 years, it's my opinion that this statement isn't quite right. It was our knife (although slightly different) that was the basis for the spyderco one and it wasn't based on being a pimped woodlore and created to profit from the latest bushcraft craze, a lot of work went into producing a knife that could be used by people.
At the end of the day it's a knife and people can buy it or not,it shouldn't be an instrument or derision or contention.
I don't usually participate in these sorts of threads that have people's opinions banded about like sabres, but as i've been quite closely involved in the spyderco project for over 3 years, it's my opinion that this statement isn't quite right. It was our knife (although slightly different) that was the basis for the spyderco one and it wasn't based on being a pimped woodlore and created to profit from the latest bushcraft craze, a lot of work went into producing a knife that could be used by people.
At the end of the day it's a knife and people can buy it or not,it shouldn't be an instrument or derision or contention.
The Boss finally got to use his new smiley
Because, at least in the UK, RM is Bushcraft and as such his knife represents both a tangible 'connection' and demonstrable reverence to the image that other knives cannot.
It is only the knife with RM logo, that so many clearly crave, that will permit the disciple to move a little closer to their dream whist at the same time lessening the frustration that comes with reality.
If in whittling a few tent pegs in their backyard, with a pale winter sun washing the great man's name as the blade bites deep into hazel, who are we to begrudge their fix?
Now where's my cheque book!
Cheers
I've always wanted one of those Ray Mears knives since I first saw them, and not just because it has his name on it but because I like it's design. At those prices though, no thanks. I guess I could always get a clone but I have too many knives and not enough money already, so... Meh.
I've ordered one of the RM clone ones from SWC. It starts off at £137 before add ons. I think the basic price for the one mentioned in this thread is £225. It's a bit larger and has design modifications. Stephen says he's well busy at present and I should get mine mid to late March. :sulkoff:
Nigel.
Nigel.
It may be $189 in the good ole US of A but it will probably be a good bit more expensive in the UK. A lot of stuff is. Regardless of affiliations etc, the Mears knife is going to be a much bigger draw than the Spyderco one in the UK. There would probably have been a good number of folks who would have bought a Spyderco because they thought it was the trendy Bushcraft knife to have, especially if they couldn't wait for 12 years to get a woodlore. Now they can bask in the glory of Mr Mears by owning a RM branded knife. It's just unfortunate timing for Spyderco to bring out a Bushy which may be as expensive as an instantly available RM woodlore in the UK. I'm sure that the Spyderco one will still be a hit amoung members here though.
How much was the Spydie one over here again? Only just short of the SWC one if i remember correctly
I'm tired of the spyderco bashing. It's a woodlore clone? How? different stock thickness, different blade profile, different handle shape, different pins. The only things they have in common are that both have a scandi grind and a full tang.
And since the market was crying out for a full tang scandi, spyderco produced one. How dare they research and produce a model to fill a niche! The nerve!
Would this be a woodlore clone if it was a stick tang? Or if it was a full tang flat grind?
Secondly, many people who have handled the knife love the handle. People whom I have reason to believe have real experience other than whittling in the back yard.
I can pick up a Spyderco for around $200 Australian. I've ordered a SWC custom and it's going to cost around $400. Not quite the same price range is it?
And since the market was crying out for a full tang scandi, spyderco produced one. How dare they research and produce a model to fill a niche! The nerve!
Would this be a woodlore clone if it was a stick tang? Or if it was a full tang flat grind?
Secondly, many people who have handled the knife love the handle. People whom I have reason to believe have real experience other than whittling in the back yard.
I can pick up a Spyderco for around $200 Australian. I've ordered a SWC custom and it's going to cost around $400. Not quite the same price range is it?
Ok, i was not Spyderco Bashing, i was stating that the new RM will affect sales of the knife.
OK i dont like it, its not my thing i prefer Puukkos personaly.
im not doubting the knifes capabilities at all, im sure its very capable of any task and a very well made knife.
ok so similarities:
both spear point,
both full tang,
both scandi ground blade,
both o1 tool steel.
Differences:
Handle/scales
Pins
Spyderhole
And logo
(none of these things make that much of a difference in function)
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as for there being a required market for this type of knife it is out of the question.
pretty much every uk custom maker has their own version of the woodlore or a similar knife for sale, not only customs we have Gary mills, sheffeild Woodlore clones, Enzo Trappers and countless others. people after a bushcraft knife are spoilt for choice, so its not excatly a revolutionary thing.
you also hinted that my experience is limited to whittling in the Garden, you dont even know me, so please dont make shots like that.
So buy a spyderco if you want, im sure it will make a great bushcraft knife, its just not for me.
It's good that the new RM knives are made in the UK. At one time British blade making was world famous, when only the towns of Solingen, Mora and Seki could come close to Sheffield quality.
That said, $189 is a good price for the Spyderco. I admit I dislike the trademark hole in the blade, but at that price I would be tempted, especially with the reassurance of the Spyderco brand. They deserve their high reputation.
That said, $189 is a good price for the Spyderco. I admit I dislike the trademark hole in the blade, but at that price I would be tempted, especially with the reassurance of the Spyderco brand. They deserve their high reputation.
I am happy to see a RM knife that is not a 10 year wait. I am sure it will be worthy of being a Woodlore knife. SWC seems to make some very nice knives and I have often thought of ordering one. I have too many knives!!
Hoodoo brings up an interesting point about the term handmade. While it can be said that a knife cut from a sheet by bandsaw and beveled, handled and sharpened is "handmade". To me a knife the is shaped over hot coals with a hammer and anvil and then fine shaped, heat treated, sharpened and polished, re heat treated, is more of what I define as 'handmade". Maybe the term should be "hand forged" for that level of handmade, I dunno.
I do know that my Randall knives are hand forged and all hand finished. They are not cut from sheet steel. There is a difference.
Hoodoo brings up an interesting point about the term handmade. While it can be said that a knife cut from a sheet by bandsaw and beveled, handled and sharpened is "handmade". To me a knife the is shaped over hot coals with a hammer and anvil and then fine shaped, heat treated, sharpened and polished, re heat treated, is more of what I define as 'handmade". Maybe the term should be "hand forged" for that level of handmade, I dunno.
I do know that my Randall knives are hand forged and all hand finished. They are not cut from sheet steel. There is a difference.
I agree, i do a bit of work in a forge and theres alot more that goes into a forged blade than cutting it out of stock steel, no difference in function, but a difference.
its very complex forging a blade, the folding, the flux, keeping the heat correct, beating the steel correctly, keeping the forge going and the selection of differnt specialist tools.
its a very different game, no wonder forged blades are worth more.
ATB
Josh
Thanks for that Josh! I know very little about metal forging but I do know that if it is done properly the finished product has properties that differ from a production sheet of steel.
I sort of have a lot of sheet steel made knives and I am very happy with them. I also like the Wolverine Puukko, which appears to be a hand forged blade, maybe?
As for my Spyderco Bushcraft, I have not taken it out of the plastic wrap and linseed oil yet. Too many other things going on around here. Mainly vacation
If I had the cash, I would order a new RM/SWC straight away. I bet they are on backorder within a short time!
Cheers!
I sort of have a lot of sheet steel made knives and I am very happy with them. I also like the Wolverine Puukko, which appears to be a hand forged blade, maybe?
As for my Spyderco Bushcraft, I have not taken it out of the plastic wrap and linseed oil yet. Too many other things going on around here. Mainly vacation
If I had the cash, I would order a new RM/SWC straight away. I bet they are on backorder within a short time!
Cheers!
Not realy, sheet metal will be more uniform in the quality of the steel.
also, forging will make you loose alot of carbon from the steel (looking like sparks when the steel is red hot) which prevents it being hardend quite as effectivly as a uniform quality peice of steel.
apart from that their is little difference, the blade quality depends on the skill of the smith.
if it was shaped at a lower tempreture it will have more carbon than say steel that has been repetivley folded and shaped.
Forged blades have alot of character, compared to cut blades.
hand made would be any knife that is made by hand.... weather its cutting out a peice of sheet o1 with an angle grinder or forging a peice of mild .5% carbon steel with .9% carbon steel to create a patern welded blade.
ATB
Josh
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