My immediate neighbour is a deer manager, i get 2-3 deer per year, I get on well with him and his family so would collaborate if ****.
Rest of my family (my brother is the exception ) would probably loose their **** in 24hrs tbh….
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My immediate neighbour is a deer manager, i get 2-3 deer per year, I get on well with him and his family so would collaborate if ****.
Rest of my family (my brother is the exception ) would probably loose their **** in 24hrs tbh….
It's not just food tho.
If you get your news from other than the BBC, who either don't report incidents or say they are isolated.
In the last 24 hrs.
Van with gas cylinders on board explodes outside the Quay shopping mall in Southampton yesterday.
Isolated incident. Not terror related.
Heathrow completely out of action, and shut down, due to a fire at a sub station that serves the airport. Back up generators not working and diesel gennies that had been used untill recently having been discontinued due to the green agenda.
Isolated incident. Not terror related.
Sussex, a big operation to arrest a man making explosive/chemicals in his house, not terror related.
Isolated incident.
Wasn't that said about S'th Port at one time?
Patterns emerging ?
Yes things happen, but why the emphasis on the last sentence every time something happens? Dumbing us down to a false sense of security.
I lived close to Aldershot in the 70's, so we were always, even as kids, ultra alert. No mobile phones to close our eyes and ears when out and about like today.
Being prepared for a war like the last one is not where we need to be looking in the UK and Europe.
Though being as prepared as possible for power and food disruption is massively sensible.
If you get your news from other than the BBC, who either don't report incidents or say they are isolated.
In the last 24 hrs.
Van with gas cylinders on board explodes outside the Quay shopping mall in Southampton yesterday.
Isolated incident. Not terror related.
Heathrow completely out of action, and shut down, due to a fire at a sub station that serves the airport. Back up generators not working and diesel gennies that had been used untill recently having been discontinued due to the green agenda.
Isolated incident. Not terror related.
Sussex, a big operation to arrest a man making explosive/chemicals in his house, not terror related.
Isolated incident.
Wasn't that said about S'th Port at one time?
Patterns emerging ?
Yes things happen, but why the emphasis on the last sentence every time something happens? Dumbing us down to a false sense of security.
I lived close to Aldershot in the 70's, so we were always, even as kids, ultra alert. No mobile phones to close our eyes and ears when out and about like today.
Being prepared for a war like the last one is not where we need to be looking in the UK and Europe.
Though being as prepared as possible for power and food disruption is massively sensible.
My Dad always used to claim it was cheaper to eat out in Hong Kong than to self cater. That would have been mid to late Eighties.
On being prepared in general, I don't doubt that there are many here who could close the door of their house and not come out for a fair while, to no ill effect. And many who could get by on a long term basis if left to their own devices.
The biggest issue, as I see it anyhow, is that you're very unlikely to be left to your own devices, by your neighbours or perhaps more tellingly by state bodies. A single emergency motion in the house, 'prepping' becomes 'hoarding' and suddenly you're an outlaw, which isn't a great place to be under emergency powers.
The biggest issue, as I see it anyhow, is that you're very unlikely to be left to your own devices, by your neighbours or perhaps more tellingly by state bodies. A single emergency motion in the house, 'prepping' becomes 'hoarding' and suddenly you're an outlaw, which isn't a great place to be under emergency powers.
I think there is probably some genuinely big difference between having a hoarding problem and a well stocked, tidy, house where you know whats in it and where it may be.
Coming into the former category and having family in the former category, I know.
Coming into the former category and having family in the former category, I know.
That is my point however. We - those that have put something from a little to alot aside can feel ( it seems ) somewhat smug and reassured and do I suggest , conceited? in such matters.
And taking care of oneself and ones family is each persons choice of responsibility.
But if you or I or whoever 'gets it' are in the 1% vs the 99% - thats not good for what ever community or society we are living in. How can the government level up a majority of the population without creating panic or fear-mongering - so that if ever there is another blip or event of uncertain magnitude , that everyone ( collectively ) are somewhat more durable and place less strain on whatever infrastructure ,aid or utilities are available.
I was considering hoarding more from the perspective of, for instance, a situation where rationing exists and to hoard becomes an offence or even simply a social faux-pas than just as a behaviour. My other half will testify to the fact that despite owning two houses and a reasonably sized shed, we're rapidly running out of space to live in!
There comes a point at which it is difficult to hide and in terms of eating well vice not, it's really not that long before it's evident. I mean, it's not even like you need a total societal collapse... But we're probably getting beyond the sensible scope of any likely "emergency" anyway.
This.
If you live in an urban area and have a generator, don't expect to still have it a few days into a serious event. If the scrotes don't nick it, the state will comandeer it, and if possible force you into a "rest centre" where they can manage you.
I know of estates in cities which arenot at all the "worst" places where construction workers who need to use a gennie work in (at least) pairs- one to do the work, th eother to stand guard over the gennie.
@Woody girl's stepdaughter thinks is "not unusual": we won't prepare, we'll come and take from those who did. Now, if that involves a long car journey it's unlikely to happen in such cases (as those unprepared folk won't have enough fuel to manage it) but others will rob their neighbours or anyone who is vulnerable.
I work with someone who spent many years as a magistrate. We have discussed sometimes the "casual level of violence" which exists in certain parts of society, but with which most of us don't normally come into contact (unless we are in law enforcement, or unlucky and caught in "crossfire" situation).
Resilience without visibily being "ahead" of others is the thing. Low key, unfashionable, look"normal" from the outside. Even better to be in a "naturally ressilient" community say in a rural area.
And being able to manage without much in the way of facilities is also important, a simple kitchen with no built in appliances but a bunch of traditional equipment is always going to work better without power, and of course costs a lot less too!
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the grey man principle!
I am not worried about my generator being nicked tbh, I would survive without it
Nah not really tbh, I have it as I use it to power outside events at a small museum I work with.
I also have a small solar charge setup / I use it for family camping in the summer months but it could easily work in one of these scenarios tbh
I have got rid of most of my kitchen appliances. Bare minimum now is a stick blender, kettle, sliw cooker, stove, and fridge with small freezer.
My washing machine broke down just before Xmas, so I've been handwashing ever since. It's not easy, buy then my parents managed twp kids without one. So did my grandparents. So it's absolutely possible.
Other than those few kitchen electrics, I have a radio, lights, and a shower.
I developed an interest in kitchenalia, so I have a lot of old fashoned gadgets. My favourite and most useful is a spong mincer, which I can use where I'd use a stick blender. I have a butter maker, and some other bits and bobs which are "display items" but could be easily pressed into service. Most wouldn't have a clue what they are, or how to use them.
My washing machine broke down just before Xmas, so I've been handwashing ever since. It's not easy, buy then my parents managed twp kids without one. So did my grandparents. So it's absolutely possible.
Other than those few kitchen electrics, I have a radio, lights, and a shower.
I developed an interest in kitchenalia, so I have a lot of old fashoned gadgets. My favourite and most useful is a spong mincer, which I can use where I'd use a stick blender. I have a butter maker, and some other bits and bobs which are "display items" but could be easily pressed into service. Most wouldn't have a clue what they are, or how to use them.
They are noisy and thus attract attention in a situation where there others are in dire need (want). Make of that what you will.
When it comes to prepping or emergency situations, I turn to my grandparents and how they lived when I was a little boy. The only electricity they used was flipping a light switch (indeed the old bakelite turners).
Grandma staunchly refused to use a coffeegrinder or even a cookingplate.
They were shaped by 5 years of German occupation and lived in a coalminer's community/neighbour after that for their entire lives.
My house has quite a number of appliances and tools they would immediately recognize and be able to use.
That depends entirely on how reliant you are on electricity. We're on a borehole so no electricity means no water but with a genny I have unlimited water as long as I have fuel.
Not necessarily, I have a silent generator, I can barely hear it from about 20m away, and I am sure with some sort of enclosure I could get that down to just a few meters
If you are considering getting a Genny for a 'just in case' situation - as opposed to needing it for anything in a normal day to day life , you are probably already on the prepper train ride - so why not. Nothing wrong with being a prepper. ( I do dislike that term however )
If not then its probably a big step you don't need and may regret.
If not then its probably a big step you don't need and may regret.
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