Flint Belt Buckle

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Had an idea...
I want to make a paracord braided belt only I want to make from Dyneema.
I'm thinking either 2mm or 3mm.
Ideally, I would like to find a buckle that is made from flint steel and looks minimalistic and proper.
So far I haven't found one.
I'm aware people make flint steel from old files.
I was wondering whether there is someone in this forum who is proficient in metal work, who can make it for me?
I'll pay of course.
I even thought about tungsten because it's a good Ferro Rod spark thrower.
Or... potentially making part of the buckle from Ferro Rod but I don't think it'll hold the usage for very long.
 
I can imagine a double-dee buckle (No pin) made of two pieces of 12mm ferro and some 3mm leather. I’m trying, in my mind, to incorporate a striker into such a design. It will have to wait behind the Lumetière and the Big Swede handle for one of my #12’s. Neither of those is going very fast just now.
 
They make a standard plastic buckle with a striker and ferror rod built in for paracording. I've got one, it's pretty small but sparks ok. - see Greenman Bushcraft. I don't think it fits with your desired aesthetic look though.
Presumably any square pinless iron buckle, the sort with a hook at the back, would work? Or as Pattree suggest, two square sided D rings and a sleeve for a rod or flints holder pouch.
For ideas - This Chuckmuk would easily adapt to have a hook at the back and be a belt-end attachment.
 
I sort of gave up on the idea of having a FR as part of the buckle. I think it's too soft. General day to day usage will eat into it.

As for a flint buckle... it's quite possible to make and use but as suggested, my aesthetic inclination doesn't land itself to what you might call - artisanal.
Unfortunately, that is the style you mostly find.
I'm not attracted to "hippie" dressware or "untidiness". I also don't find it comfortable. For instance: I don't enjoy using a poncho. It's simply too flappy. I prefer things that are "tailored".
On the other hand I also don't like camouflage or any kind of tactical/army dressware.
Backpacking clothes I enjoy putting on are usually Arc'teryx. Some of their clothing can easily be worn to a fancy restaurant and none will be the wiser as to their actual purpose.
That's not to say I don't have other gear, I'm merely paint the picture.
I have and consider the Buffalo Special 6 "shirt" to be one of, if not the best thing I own (it's brilliant) but admiringly... it looks awful.
I don't particularly "like" how braided belts look but the basic premise of having a belt that can be untangled into an 80-100 metres of usable rope, makes perfect sense.
 
I find myself sceptical that anyone who can speak of wearing Arc’teryx to fancy restaurants will ever find themselves in such a situation to unravel a precious belt to make 80 metres of rope. I have needed rope to lower a pack down a small cliff…10m was plenty and was easily carried in said pack as ridge line for the tarp.

When you want rope, you want to be able to use it to tie things. Dyneema does not hold knots.

Fun fact. Dyneema, while available in all kinds of colours, does not hold dye well. The cord is treated with waxy coloured material, in part to lubricate it as rope. This will wear off, quite a lot transferring to the trousers you wear it with.

To be a suitable material for a steel striker for real flint, it mustn’t just be high carbon, but low alloy too. O-1 tool steel does not make a good striker. Left bare, such steels rust at the first hint of moisture. Adding protective coatings will just make one less inclined to use to make fire.

A person is a well funded experienced outdoorsman, capable of lighting a fire in a dire survival situation with a bit of flint they find on the ground and their special belt buckle. How many places where you might need fire have flint lying around? Not in the Highlands. So, carry flint with you, and what about the dry char cloth tinder? Carry that too, be prepared….so why not actually be smart and carry a peanut lighter or Nano Strike ferro rod? I think that any well funded outdoorsman will carry practical fire lighting kit when they think they might need it. At which point the super special rusty belt buckle is naught but an affectation, a talisman at best.

Save time, effort and money. Carry a coil of cord in a back pocket. Buy some pretty Exotac fire lighter thing (I have one, it’s nice) and a titanium peanut lighter. Will look great with the Arc’teryx look, won’t stain them, and will be much more likely to be practically useful when you need it.
 
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If that does not discourage you….Grip Six belts are cool. Get a high carbon steel made like that, very simple. Maybe get it powder coated, or try home phosphate treatment.
 
My limited experience of braided belts is the tendency to stretch as the 'knots' settle.
Another option, if you want the utility belt type idea is to get a normal belt and tape some items to the inside.
Or use a concealed money belt with a pocket on the inside.
Rather than dyneema what about braided fishing line? 50 or 100lb breaking strain will hold 99% of likely requirements and be smaller and lighter than dyneema.
Also, if it's attached to the belt rather than the belt itself you're more likely to use it in a 50/50 situation where using line is useful but not lifesaving. having to rebraid the belt in those situations would be a pain.
 
I find myself sceptical that anyone who can speak of wearing Arc’teryx to fancy restaurants will ever find themselves in such a situation to unravel a precious belt to make 80 metres of rope. I have needed rope to lower a pack down a small cliff…10m was plenty and was easily carried in said pack as ridge line for the tarp.

When you want rope, you want to be able to use it to tie things. Dyneema does not hold knots.

Fun fact. Dyneema, while available in all kinds of colours, does not hold dye well. The cord is treated with waxy coloured material, in part to lubricate it as rope. This will wear off, quite a lot transferring to the trousers you wear it with.

To be a suitable material for a steel striker for real flint, it mustn’t just be high carbon, but low alloy too. O-1 tool steel does not make a good striker. Left bare, such steels rust at the first hint of moisture. Adding protective coatings will just make one less inclined to use to make fire.

A person is a well funded experienced outdoorsman, capable of lighting a fire in a dire survival situation with a bit of flint they find on the ground and their special belt buckle. How many places where you might need fire have flint lying around? Not in the Highlands. So, carry flint with you, and what about the dry char cloth tinder? Carry that too, be prepared….so why not actually be smart and carry a peanut lighter or Nano Strike ferro rod? I think that any well funded outdoorsman will carry practical fire lighting kit when they think they might need it. At which point the super special rusty belt buckle is naught but an affectation, a talisman at best.

Save time, effort and money. Carry a coil of cord in a back pocket. Buy some pretty Exotac fire lighter thing (I have one, it’s nice) and a titanium peanut lighter. Will look great with the Arc’teryx look, won’t stain them, and will be much more likely to be practically useful when you need it.

I think your skepticism is antiquated, Mr. Mod.
That I don’t represent the norm is a given and perhaps the prospect of mentioned duality stirs something within you but that is, as they say, yours, not mine.
I backpacked an accumulated duration of roughly seven years out of my life.
I feel confident in saying very few people who have a successful YouTube channel and feel they can share their opinions with authority have that experience.
In 2009 alone I slept ten months of that year in a tent. Took me three weeks just to get used to a bed again.
On the other hand I also worked in decent jobs and own several suits, some of which were made in Savile Row and wore shoes bought at Crockett & Jones.
A person need not be just one thing and it’s OK to have several priorities.
I feel we all have different sides and those deserve to have an outlet as opposed to representing a status we shouldn’t venture beyond.
That said, I’m a beginner when it comes to Bushcrafting.
The idea for the belt had little to do with your reasoning.
I fully agree with the logic and have often expressed similar opinions.
I’ve had many private conversations with Dave Canterbury (probably 10-15 private conversations) and I too had the opinion that in reality I see no sensical likelihood of ever finding myself without a lighter: I usually have 5 mini bic lighters. Some in my pockets (trousers and jacket) some in the top of my bag. Some in my cook kit. Etc.
If I travel with my wife or a friend I will make sure they too have at least two. So in what world will I ever find myself without at least one of them?
With that in mind, why practice a bow drill?
Suffice it to say, not all of our attractions and needs can be satisfied by logic.
A person does not stop wanting chocolate or whisky by logically deducing that it’s unhealthy. You can overcome the desire but you can’t stop the desire.
I want to make a braided belt because I want to make a braided belt.
Also, by the way, Dyneema can very much hold a knot. Perhaps not as well and perhaps not as a thick rope but 2mm or 3mm can hold a knot.
I have two Hilleberg tents - the Staika and the Anaris. Both arrived with Dyneema guylines and both can be tied no problem at all.
 
My limited experience of braided belts is the tendency to stretch as the 'knots' settle.
Another option, if you want the utility belt type idea is to get a normal belt and tape some items to the inside.
Or use a concealed money belt with a pocket on the inside.
Rather than dyneema what about braided fishing line? 50 or 100lb breaking strain will hold 99% of likely requirements and be smaller and lighter than dyneema.
Also, if it's attached to the belt rather than the belt itself you're more likely to use it in a 50/50 situation where using line is useful but not lifesaving. having to rebraid the belt in those situations would be a pain.

Sounds... weird... but I'll think about it.
I did see an idea by Neal, from Greencraft, where he used a home-made money belt to carry a buck saw blade.
Did cross my mind.
It's a different project.
My idea stemmed from wanting to carry rope as backup but have its weight utilised instead of it being extra dead weight.
Anyway... we'll see.
Cheers.
 
The whole braided belt for emergency cord has the challenge that it takes quite a bit of time to unbraid.

I can picture the pattern of braiding that someone designed for quick release but I can't recall it's name - I'll have a hunt but it made much more sense than other designs.
 
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There you go!


It's the Slatts knot.

an obsolete site now but searchable to find:


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Sounds... weird... but I'll think about it.
I did see an idea by Neal, from Greencraft, where he used a home-made money belt to carry a buck saw blade.
Did cross my mind.
It's a different project.
My idea stemmed from wanting to carry rope as backup but have its weight utilised instead of it being extra dead weight.
Anyway... we'll see.
Cheers.
Irrespective of incomes and what we wear, we all like "things" that we often cannot really justify, and there is nowt wrong with that. (Said one OCD'er to the other :whistling:)
So the admiral intent, is to carry some rope but with some dual purpose not as dead weight. I'd also like an idea for that.

Maybe a belt is not the solution, or Dyneema. In the first case, it would look silly trying to use or untangle the rope with my trousers round my ankles, and the second, Dyneema does tie if I casn remember the right knots, but it is so thin that it will tend to cut through or damage many materials under load, say lowering a rucksack., or on a tarp.

So, the challenge for ideas is open, how else to utilise a useful rope stash?
Replace the Grab Handle on the rucksack maybe? A natural materials rope hot pot mat? I have a rope grip on my staff, a similar replacement for the handle on a walking/hiking stick instead of the plastic one?
The challenge is open...
 
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I want to make a braided belt because I want to make a braided belt.
Also, by the way, Dyneema can very much hold a knot. Perhaps not as well and perhaps not as a thick rope but 2mm or 3mm can hold a knot.
I have two Hilleberg tents - the Staika and the Anaris. Both arrived with Dyneema guylines and both can be tied no problem at all.
Fair play. We get a lot of people with a lot less experience asking similar sounding questions. There is a lot of fantasy that swirls around "bushcraft" but the reality is that most won't be regularly relying on log lean-to shelters and survival kit fishing.

Hilleberg tent guy lines are a Spectra/polyester blend, the latter part helps with the handling and knot holding. They also hold the dye. Knots in a 100% Dyneema braid, like Zing-It do not hold particularly well. They can hold, but not as well as in same diameter line with a polyester sheath. I now use Zing-It for a ridge line for my tarp, and had to go with extra wrap prussic knots to prevent slipping compared to the quick release hitches that hold great on 1.5 to 3mm 16-plait polyester. The weight and bulk saving on 10m of 3mm polyester was worth it, but not worth it to replace 2mm polyester guy lines with 2mm spectra/polyester.

Best of luck with your braiding.

Chris
 
What length of rope is useful. I can’t see a staff grip being much use but maybe I’m wrong.
This trivet is easy enough once you’ve sorted out the first pass but it would be a bugger to unwrap in an emergency. After you’d got it apart you’d only have seven meters of rope.
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A five pass figure of eight kneeling mat would take more rope but you’d have to be in very real trouble before I unbraided it.

As for paracord or guyline etc - just stick a ten meter hank in your back pocket.
 
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You're right the staff rope is only a metre or so, could be 2m but of limited use, emergency extra short guyline maybe. Clearly any idea of pads is out!
I'm thinking that maybe a decent coiled hank could be tied off at each end to replace the rucksack handle, but I'm out of other ideas. It's all a bit conceptual not a real need. I simply keep a number of linkable 2m lengths in my pack and pockets.
 
In season 11 of Alone, one of the contestants, Jake, had a steel buckle made.


At 49:21 he holds it to up to the camera.
 

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