Flabbergasted! Serving soldier refused hotel room.

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Funny enough the only time I was ever in Guildford I had to help a squaddie get served in a bar. The staff wouldn't accept an army ID as proof of age for some reason?
Any time anyone ever blames the point man for misunderstanding company policy I always think it means "he did what we told him but it we got caught and it isn't written down".
 
The matter had been raised by Plaid Cymru MP Mr Williams, who received a letter back from the hotel complex manager last week saying it regretted the way the matter was dealt with.

A manager in the letter said the hotel had in recent months "experienced some rather serious incidents" resulting from the stay of personnel from a local barracks and staff had been requested to be "cautious" in taking future bookings from the armed forces.

Managers were asked to assess cases.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7598523.stm

I wonder what other "groups" they are "cautious" about.

I can think of a few other "organisations" who are "cautious" about some "groups".

I think there is a word for it too

Red
 
I found this comical.

BBC said:
A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: "We are very surprised that any company would adopt a policy to exclude members of the armed forces who generally enjoy great respect and gratitude for their professionalism, courage and bravery.

Whoever said that has never served as a soldier in the UK or if they have they never made it out of training. Whenever you go to a Garrison town there are always places that you are told to stay away from due to the "locals being unfriendly".

That was my experience for 13 years of my life.
 
when i was in the ACF (army cadet force) we were advised not to wear our uniform to or from the meet nights :-( sad thing was, there was valid reasons not to. :-(
 
when i was in the ACF (army cadet force) we were advised not to wear our uniform to or from the meet nights :-( sad thing was, there was valid reasons not to. :-(
Sadly my e-mail to the company with a politely worded enquiry seems to have got lost since I haven't received a reply.

It must be a technical error. I think I'll let the managing director know

michael.appleton@american-amusements.co.uk

Red
 
<Dons Nomex undercrackers>
So theres no chance that they are close enough to an army base and had enough problems from enough soldiers that they would rather just ban the lot of them than let the lass on the night counter have to deal with them if they become a problem?

Its just possible that they have had a bit of a problem with soldiers in the past that they just don't feel the need for their custom but don't let that stop the knee jerking eh?

Its not as if other groups containing mostly males get any form of discrimination when entering pubs, nightclubs and hotels is it.

Perhaps we should hear both sides of the story before jumping onto the bandwagon?
<Nomex undercrackers>
 
Dear Tadpole (name changed)

I received you email - and really appreciate that you have taken the time to express your very strong views of this very unfortunate incident at the Metro Hotel reported by the local and national media on Thursday of this week.

The Hotel is situated in the heart of Woking Town Centre in the 'late night district' around 300 metres from the busy mainline station. It is a very popular 26 room budget, short stay hotel with a near 90% year round occupancy. The Hotel Management and the Directors of the Hotel have had a welcoming "open door" policy to all members of the local and international community for the 10 years that we have owned and operated the hotel. It is a very popular hotel indeed with members of the local Pirbright Barracks and is regularly booked out by the soldiers, officers and by friends and visitors to the barracks. It is a highly regarded budget hotel.

Indeed the hotel had 8 rooms booked and used by members of the armed forces only last night (Saturday) ! The hotel nor its management nor its owners would ever discriminate to any individual or group. However it is know that on rare occasions, the management does choose to refuse entry to those guests who present themselves in a manner or condition (eg being totally intoxicated) which would be obviously unacceptable on the night of stay in question. This can and occasionally does occur on weekend nights during the late hours.

The most highly regrettable issue relating to Corporal Stringer is that he came to the hotel, without a booking (no problems there as there were several rooms available), well presented on a quiet Sunday in civilian clothing on 30th June 2008. He was completing his hotel registration as would any other guest and then, because he was paying for the room by cash, was requested by the duty receptionist to provide some form of identification. The duty receptionist, on seeing his military ID then decided, and for some completely bizarre reason that we still cannot determine, to refuse this fine gentleman a stay at the hotel. The duty receptionist did not log the refusal or give Corporal Stringer a proper reason why was being refused and sent him on his way.

From our de-brief of the incident it appears that Corporal Stringer made little fuss and left the establishment as peacefully as he came in. I am not then sure why he then chose to sleep in his car as there would have been many other hotels with rooms available on that night in the local area, however that's a decision Corporal Stringer chose to make and we have to respect that decision. The receptionist made no further written or verbal comment that night in the hotel log book or indeed that week or month or next month about the incident and due to there being no pre booking and thus room vs payments check, not one member of the management team of the hotel knew anything of this incident until a letter arrived at the hotel from the local MP of the constituency of Corporal Stringer on 29th August - almost 2 months after the incident occurred.

The hotel, it's management and it's company Directors (to whom, over the past 72 hours, have received the most vicious threats and abuse of extreme proportions that we have ever witnessed or experienced) immediately responded to the MP but was already snookered! The story had already been broken to the Welsh press and to the national media and the whirlwind had started (and which has still not ended!).

The hotel was clearly not able to change it's policy because there never has been any policy to "refuse", only one to "admit". The Daily Mirror's "u-turn in policy" could not be further from the truth! We were all as staggered as you were (and also the thousands of others who have expressed their strong opinions to us in the past two days) to learn of this highly regrettable incident and all we have been able to do is profusely apologise to the MP who wrote so strongly to us, to the soldier himself and his family, issue a press announcement which the press have mostly decided to ignore, invite the soldier back to the hotel on any occasion he wishes and urgently provide significant re-training and guidance to the receptionist who made this incredibly unfortunate and wrong decision to refuse a room and all other hotel staff as well, the majority of whom have had to ensure phone call after phone call of the most horrendous abuse imaginable.

The local Pirbright Barracks, the local Military and Community Police who frequent our hotel for a coffee and chat every single weekend and our local council (Woking Borough Council - our Landlords) and local Councillors and officers all know we are a very fine establishment who welcomes all and has an excellent reputation and provides and excellent level of service and quality. The hotel is we host to guests attending disabled charity receptions, sporting and music receptions and local Mayor's receptions and business and local visiting people.

However this one event in isolation which has stemmed from a decision made by a single individual has caused the world of the Metro Hotel to go upside down! I have never personally experienced anything quite like it and undoubtedly never will again.

I do hope this therefore provides you the benefit of the facts of this most regrettable matter in response to your email and will provide some level of comfort to your belief and understandable concern that the Metro Hotel does not welcome our fine men and women who represent our country so bravely and proudly.

Thank you again for your correspondence.

Yours sincerely

Michael Appleton
Managing Director
 
I started this thread, though it seems likely that with the subject matter, someone else would have brought it to BCUK's attention. It's the first time that I have posted a link to a news item, and will probably be the last. I don't know which side to believe but, for myself, it has been a salutary lesson in sticking to Bushcraft matters.

Might it be appropriate for the Mods to close the thread and say no more on this matter?


Geoff
 
Might it be appropriate for the Mods to close the thread and say no more on this matter?


Geoff

No, we'll leave the thread open. All you have done is report accurately the information available to you. The information is in basis still the same, that Cpl Stringer was refused a room for a night. Now it's a case of who do you believe, the management or the receptionist. I fear a whole new can of worms.

demographic said:
So theres no chance that they are close enough to an army base and had enough problems from enough soldiers that they would rather just ban the lot of them than let the lass on the night counter have to deal with them if they become a problem?

IIRC Pirbright is the Gaurds Depot. This means that any trouble started by them would require someone controlling them shouting Clear Loud As An Order with Pauses (the pnuemonic CLAP). Those orders would then be carried out in a smart and soldier like fashion with a crisp regimental pause of one, two three, one between actions.;)
 
What would be interesting is if the local worthies or servicemen mentioned in the MDs letter stand up for the Hotel. Ex servicemen if those still in uniform can't speak

At this point it is only the MD's well written, but understandably self-interested, letter to suggest anything to the contrary to what Cpl Stringer and others are saying.

And it remains that there is a prejudice against soldiers in the English speaking world - a colonial legacy perhaps - and many have been a victim of it but never spoke out.

Discrimination based on prejudice is deemed unacceptable nowadays so let the topic be aired as long as you don't take up arms against the hotel.

The receptionist has yet to speak so the case is not closed yet.
 
That letter strikes me as a piece written by a spin doctor.

A previous statement to the BBC was somewhat different

A manager in the letter said the hotel had in recent months "experienced some rather serious incidents" resulting from the stay of personnel from a local barracks and staff had been requested to be "cautious" in taking future bookings from the armed forces.

Managers were asked to assess cases.

That does not seem to me like not having a policy that might result in exclusion. It sounds to me that there was a policy (verbal or written) which perhaps the receptionist exceeded. Perhaps because he / she had been told off in the past for admitting someone who later caused damage or whatever.


I don't believe that any employee would simply make such a policy up

Red
 
I listened to the BBC Radio 4 News report where it was stated that the staff at the hotel had been subjected to threatening and abusive phone calls.

What I did not expect is to read the immature, odious, contemptible and malicious statements published on the most respected Bushcraft Forum I have known.

That the moderators and owner would allow what is in effect a campaign of harrassment to persons employed within and the Company itself, which has broken no law is remarkable.

If you believe that the staff are victims of 'policy' why would you want to make malicious calls to falsely book rooms which you have no intention of accommodating. Why are you so eager to question any person within that establishment at all, they owe you nothing, you are not customers or shareholders. You were not involved.

This being an international Forum, your repugnant, self righteous statements are accorded a worldwide audience. What a hideous example of BCUK you provide.
 
You were not involved.

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Although I will not condone the idea of threatening or abusive phone calls or malicious behaviour of any sort, I do truely believe that anyone who despises prejudice against serving members of the armed forces, in the way that this hotels policy was reported to be prejudiced, should let the organisation aware that what occured offended them.
A simple but direct, polite but clear statement to this effect is all it takes to put the message across.

Those who ignore behaviour that is offensive can expect the offence happening again, and again until it is "standard practice" and "acceptable".

Anyone with principles they stand by will naturally not wish this to happen and should make their voice heard - politely of course.

I was involved in this affair, as what happened offended me and I wished for those responsible to know I was offended.

This was attempted politely.
 
The general response here has been very sensible.

For the most part it has been to not use the hotel chain, which is non threatening, but certainly does not support the hotels action.

The other response has been to write to the company which has elicited a well thought out reply which you can choose to believe or not.

I suspect the notion of booking a room was not all that serious and was certainly not regarded as so by the majority here.

As there is a very high proportion of servicemen both ex and serving on this site, I for one have been pleasantly surprised how calm and measured this thread has been
 
I listened to the BBC Radio 4 News report where it was stated that the staff at the hotel had been subjected to threatening and abusive phone calls.

What I did not expect is to read the immature, odious, contemptible and malicious statements published on the most respected Bushcraft Forum I have known.

That the moderators and owner would allow what is in effect a campaign of harrassment to persons employed within and the Company itself, which has broken no law is remarkable.

If you believe that the staff are victims of 'policy' why would you want to make malicious calls to falsely book rooms which you have no intention of accommodating. Why are you so eager to question any person within that establishment at all, they owe you nothing, you are not customers or shareholders. You were not involved.

This being an international Forum, your repugnant, self righteous statements are accorded a worldwide audience. What a hideous example of BCUK you provide.

So far the only person I can see who has overreacted to this sad affair is you, 99% of the people on this site are, for want of a better word, gentleman (and ladies) of the first order. You only have to read that which they have posted prior to this and on other subjects, to understand that they are no strangers to well thought out, well-presented and articulate arguments. I am sure that when writing to express their condemnation of the behaviour of the hotel staff, and management they didn’t suddenly descend into yobbish and gratuitous abuse.
Do you really think that the managing director would even get to see such content let alone reply to it, with a well spun/constructed reply?
You I feel, need to offer an apology to the members here for your unwarranted attack on them an attack with no proof or justification. There are 9012 members to this site now (only 3,800 odd have actually posted).Now if all the active members , about 1200 or so, on this site read the article and 10 percent were out raged and of those out raged 10 percent were moved enough to contact the company, that still would hardly be a torrent and barrage of emails/phone calls, it would be about 12 people .
From the response to your post, I think you can tell that not even your unwarranted unprovoked attack, an attack in the same vein you are accusing us of making against the hotel, as elicited anything more than a polite reiteration of the facts.
 
I listened to the BBC Radio 4 News report where it was stated that the staff at the hotel had been subjected to threatening and abusive phone calls.

What I did not expect is to read the immature, odious, contemptible and malicious statements published on the most respected Bushcraft Forum I have known.

That the moderators and owner would allow what is in effect a campaign of harrassment to persons employed within and the Company itself, which has broken no law is remarkable.

If you believe that the staff are victims of 'policy' why would you want to make malicious calls to falsely book rooms which you have no intention of accommodating. Why are you so eager to question any person within that establishment at all, they owe you nothing, you are not customers or shareholders. You were not involved.

This being an international Forum, your repugnant, self righteous statements are accorded a worldwide audience. What a hideous example of BCUK you provide.

I'm willing to respond.

Firstly there is no excuse for threats or abuse - on that we concur.

However I did write to the company and tell them that, as a person who travels regularly, I would not choose to utilise an hotel that practiced a policy of not offering hotel rooms to our service men and women. I would also ensure that I brought this to the attention of our company and to companies with whom we associate. My mail (one to the holding company and one to the MD) was politely worded and informed the organisation of the decisions I was entitled to make based upon where I choose to spend money.

This is not harrasment, merely customer feedback that all reputable companies I know welcome. It is intended to be consumer pressure. Consumer pressure is a good thing - it has led to improvement in animal welfare, working standards and generally the behaviour of organisations at an ethical level. If consumers choose to vote with their wallets and let a company know why they are doing so, good on them I say.

All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
(paraphrased from Burke)

There is nothing wrong with indignation politlely expressed

Red
 

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