Environment, Action and the Old Days

[Woody girl]

Teddy is safe, but dummy ( I call him Epsteeeen) is gone!

That is why!
But seriously, why is high yield so important and taste/ flavour not?

Even the organic produce sometimes tasted watery.
I wish the consumer had more influence.

Consumer pressure worked twice what I am aware of. Pork used to be fat free, taste free and cardboard dry for around 20 years (197o’s - 80’s) until consumers demanded better.
Chicken ( and eggs) tasted fish, they were fed fish meal. Same time, same country ( Sweden).
Better now.

That is one thing I would glue my naked body to a window for, which proper, healthy food grown without suffering and airmiles.

I'm so glad teddy is safe. Shame about the dummy though. I'll send you a nice new one. what colour would you like?
Yield is more important than taste because you can make more money money money that way... oh sorry I mean feed more people that way.
It's probably your taste buds giving up on you

 

[Woody girl]

That is one thing I would glue my naked body to a window for, which proper, healthy food grown without suffering and airmiles.

I'm gonna have nightmares tonight!!!

 

[Fadcode]

Grandpa what did you do when the forests were burning , the corals and polar bears were dying and the big oil companies started fracking for the last bit of oil and polluting the water?
What did I do son? Why I threatened to shoot the protesters because they disrupted my holidays abroad by blocking roads and trying to stop air pollution by stopping flights. Selfish sons of guns!

Well son the only way we could stop the forests from burning was to use planes to drop water on it, but the protesters wouldn't let us, they were flying drones around the airports and it was too dangerous to fly the planes, and they blocked the roads to stop us using cars,so the trees all burnt down, the ash from the burnt forests settled on the seas and cut off the sunlight to the coral, and they died too, the polar bears died because everyone was so busy dealing with the protesters and stopping them from destroying everything, but the polar bears were not that important to us, as we were too busy trying to save the cattle, as the protesters had demanded that we stopped eating meat, so most of the cattle had died in the fields as the farmers couldn't look after them as they had all gone bankrupt, same with the sheep farmers, we tried growing grain and vegetables but it took all the water we had, and everyone was fighting for food, but all they wanted to do was protest and no one would work the fields and the crops died, we weren't allowed to use chemical fertilisers anymore, and the crops died. there were just to many people and we couldn't feed them,but the planet was a much better place,and look at the wind turbines and solar panels, we have cheap electricity now, and the planet is cleaner, breath in that fresh air, yes i know its hard to do when your hungry, the planet is better, but not a place you would like to live in anymore, nothing was growing, and what did grow was soon stolen in the night,
I have to take the blame for this son, and I am sorry, the biggest problem was too many people in the world, and not enough food, lots of electricity though and cheap, its just a pity we don't have anything to cook, I was selfish I should never have had children.,

 

[Woody girl]

My goodness what an imaginative narrative. I don't see any body stopping the planes dropping water on the forests that are on fire. Show me the news reports! Also nobody is protesting and stopping the people who are dealing with those forest fires. Xr would be the first to volunteer to help fight the fires. The whole point is they want to stop this at ALL costs.
The ash from these fires is not what is killing the coral. It's rising sea temperature which is also melting the ice and causing the polar bears to starve to death. How can you say it's the protesters fault when they are the ones trying to put it right??????
Chemical fertilisers have only realy been used in the last 60 or so years. Crops didn't die before that, and won't in the future from lack of chemicals. Only from lack of enough bees and other insects to fertilise them sexualy. It's a totaly different sort of fertilisation. Grade baby class biology.

 

[Janne]

Plenty of Polar bears, they are in fact more of them than ever.
All counting of them show this, but that research is never published.
They have become a symbol for the melting ice Arctic ice.


Sweden had some awful fires last year. I did not read in any newspaper they caught one pyromaniac, or bush crafter, that caused one fire.

Fact:
All of us on this forum are happy to kill insects in large numbers, for our convenience, right? Yet those are important food for many birds, frogs, bats. Fish. Other aquatic cre@tures.
We are hypocrites, all of us!
Let’s save the cuddly panda, but first hand me the insect spray, now!

 

[Janne]

We humans think we are so important, but in reality the ecosystem Earth does not give a poo. A change, a mass extinction will only create new species later. It does not matter if it is an asteroid, a nuclear war or limitless CO2 emissions.

But we want to be able to colonize other worlds, so we can continue destroying.

Life will continue, with us and without us!

 

[Woody girl]

Janne I think the reason we are seeing more polar bears in more civilised areas is that they are starving and comming into community's to search for food. Not because there are more of them. In the past they would have stayed out in the wilderness areas and they would not have been so noticeable.

 

[Fadcode]

My goodness what an imaginative narrative. I don't see any body stopping the planes dropping water on the forests that are on fire. Show me the news reports! Also nobody is protesting and stopping the people who are dealing with those forest fires. Xr would be the first to volunteer to help fight the fires. The whole point is they want to stop this at ALL costs.
The ash from these fires is not what is killing the coral. It's rising sea temperature which is also melting the ice and causing the polar bears to starve to death. How can you say it's the protesters fault when they are the ones trying to put it right??????
Chemical fertilisers have only realy been used in the last 60 or so years. Crops didn't die before that, and won't in the future from lack of chemicals. Only from lack of enough bees and other insects to fertilise them sexualy. It's a totaly different sort of fertilisation. Grade baby class biology.

Could you explain to me, how these protesters are going to solve this, exactly what is it they are actually doing that will fix the problem?
And accept my apologies, i didn't realise they had all gone to Brazil to put the fires out.

 

[Woody girl]

Could you explain to me, how these protesters are going to solve this, exactly what is it they are actually doing that will fix the problem?
And accept my apologies, i didn't realise they had all gone to Brazil to put the fires out.

I do assume you are having a bit of fun???

 

[Fadcode]

Incidentally Potash has been used as a fertiliser since 1790, in fact the process and apparatus for it was the first Patent issued in the US and signed by George Washington, it contains one of the most important minerals for life itself, potassium. And its a natural substance and classed as a chemical fertiliser..it was first extracted from trees, before massive deposits were found, its been in the news lately as a site in Yorkshire was found with billions of tons of it underground, but apparently the firm which was going to mine it, could not raise the funds to do so.

 

[Fadcode]

Of course we are having a bit of fun, we have 2 choices in life, we can be happy, or we can be unhappy, i choose to be happy, life can be fun despite the worries.being unhappy wont solve anything.

 

[Fadcode]

Anyway enough protesting, Im off to dreamland, Good Night and take care...........

 

[Woody girl]

I agree. But you could be taken seriously . That wouldn't be great. I like to be happy and sometimes it's good to have a rather silly conversation . But I think these matters are not a joking matter. Sometimes we need to have serious discussions about serious matters and not treat them quite so cynically. It realy doesn't help to be so flippant. It just makes me think you realy don't want to face the situation and it can actually be very annoying if one is trying to have a sensible conversation. That said.. (with no rancour) . It helps some people cope with situations that are worrying. . That i fully understand. ( it's still frustrating though). I have a friend that thinks everything is a joke. Sometimes I feel like giving him a left hook! havnt done so yet.. but it's gotten very close at times! Self control can get very stretched .
But most of the time he makes me laugh. Anyway I'm off to the great zzzz . Have a good night all.... keep safe and don't worry about that asteroid headed for your house you won't feel a thing

 

[Janne]

Janne I think the reason we are seeing more polar bears in more civilised areas is that they are starving and comming into community's to search for food. Not because there are more of them. In the past they would have stayed out in the wilderness areas and they would not have been so noticeable.

That is what is told yes, but in fact there are more breeding females counted than ever.
What most people do not know is that the bears spend most of the time on land. Give birth, bring up the young. They feed off seals that themselves spend most time close land or on land. Or whale carcasses that drift onshore. ( whales, specially Mink whales are increasing in numbers)
Of course, if a bear discovers there is easy food elsewhere ( = refuse dumped by humans, or even chained dogs) they stay there.
https://www.thegwpf.org/as-polar-be...r-re-assessment-of-endangered-species-status/

Many other wild animals are increasing in numbers.
The state of the World is not as bad and hopeless as many people think it is, or make it to be.
Look on your own country, and feel happy. It is a much cleaner place than 20, 30, not to say 40 years ago!

 

[santaman2000]

Regarding the polar bears:

https://www.facebook.com/1sassypants1/photos/a.467449866649799/2593380394056725?type=3&sfns=mo

 

[EffyGent]

My biggest issue with the protests and current aims is that they are targeting the wrong areas completely (more on that in a bit) as well as being in part very short sighted, in that problem A has to be solved but the solutions (when one is even actually suggested) might very well give rise to problems X,y, and z! An example is more people using electric cars - this means more batteries and more power generation, neither of which is currently good for the environment at all!

As for the wrong areas, look at Germany. They tried to switch to renewables and it cost a fortune and had little impact. That money could have had a greater impact on reducing emissions if it was used elsewhere. To use an example which we can all relate to:

I have a 100€ sleeping bag. My friend has a 10€ one. The difference between a 10€ bag and a 50€ one is massive, but the difference between a 100€ bag and a 150€ one is not as big. The benefits per € are better upgrading from the 10€ bag to the 50€ bag. So I buy a new sleeping bag and get some benefit. But not much. If I buy my friend the 50€ bag, there is a huge benefit.

There are countries and regions where a small improvement will mean massive reductions in emissions, whereas here in Europe we would have to make massive improvements to even come close to seeing the same amount of reductions.

We need to be better, but the focus needs to be on the low hanging fruit which will give us massive reductions quickly and much more easily. Until that is the aim of the protesters and organisations, I can't take them seriously

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[Nomad64]

Perhaps it was a bit naive of Toddy to expect that starting a current affairs thread on here would not end up resembling the comments sections of online news organisations!

Maybe its time to move most of the posts on this thread (and possibly quite a few from other threads) to a new “The older I get, the better I was” thread and allow the “usual suspects” to get on with it without drowning out the quieter voices of those who don’t have an opinion on every subject and whose narrow waistlines and broad minds have yet to migrate in opposite directions.

My understanding is that BCUK aims to be a “family friendly bushcraft forum” and IMHO that should go a bit deeper than just avoiding effing and jeffing in posts. Sadly, any young, enthusiastic and impressionable bushcrafters joining this forum in the hope of finding inspiration and guidance is likely to be left with the impression that the UK bushcrafting “scene” consists of bunch of grumpy geriatrics (few of whom live or actively practice bushcraft in the UK) whiling away the empty hours in their lives moaning about their ailments and giving vent to their prejudices and ridiculing the “snowflake” youth of today. Maybe some of it is tongue in cheek or done for effect but in the online world (even with the use of emojis), subtlety and nuance are difficult to convey.

It might be an idea if members could envisage when posting that a significant %ge of their audience is made up of teenage members of the Scout movement (other outdoorsy youth organisations are available) of either (or indeed any) gender and consider whether they are saying is likely to be viewed as coming from an inspirational role model or just a sad old f@rt. If a significant %ge of those viewing threads are not from the younger generation then we have a problem and it begs the question whether the problem is with the youth of today or the tone and content of posts on BCUK.

There are other UK bushcraft/outdoors etc forums which do not aspire to being “family friendly” where the tone is more dodgy back street boozer on a Friday night than Sunday lunchtime in family friendly country pub. A bit too rough for me but I understand that they are always on the look out for new meat (sorry members!), especially opinionated ones!

 

[Woody girl]

Perhaps it was a bit naive of Toddy to expect that starting a current affairs thread on here would not end up resembling the comments sections of online news organisations!

Maybe its time to move most of the posts on this thread (and possibly quite a few from other threads) to a new “The older I get, the better I was” thread and allow the “usual suspects” to get on with it without drowning out the quieter voices of those who don’t have an opinion on every subject and whose narrow waistlines and broad minds have yet to migrate in opposite directions.

My understanding is that BCUK aims to be a “family friendly bushcraft forum” and IMHO that should go a bit deeper than just avoiding effing and jeffing in posts. Sadly, any young, enthusiastic and impressionable bushcrafters joining this forum in the hope of finding inspiration and guidance is likely to be left with the impression that the UK bushcrafting “scene” consists of bunch of grumpy geriatrics (few of whom live or actively practice bushcraft in the UK) whiling away the empty hours in their lives moaning about their ailments and giving vent to their prejudices and ridiculing the “snowflake” youth of today. Maybe some of it is tongue in cheek or done for effect but in the online world (even with the use of emojis), subtlety and nuance are difficult to convey.

It might be an idea if members could envisage when posting that a significant %ge of their audience is made up of teenage members of the Scout movement (other outdoorsy youth organisations are available) of either (or indeed any) gender and consider whether they are saying is likely to be viewed as coming from an inspirational role model or just a sad old f@rt. If a significant %ge of those viewing threads are not from the younger generation then we have a problem and it begs the question whether the problem is with the youth of today or the tone and content of posts on BCUK.

There are other UK bushcraft/outdoors etc forums which do not aspire to being “family friendly” where the tone is more dodgy back street boozer on a Friday night than Sunday lunchtime in family friendly country pub. A bit too rough for me but I understand that they are always on the look out for new meat (sorry members!), especially opinionated ones!

Well said! Actually I wanted to say something similar but felt I would just get ignored... and lo and behold two posts later than the above post ... somene ignores your sensible advice and sticks a lol on the end instead of an imoji. .... isn't that absolutely hilarious!
As you say a lot of youngsters read this forum and rubbishing others views doesnt set a good example to the younger generation. A positive attitude doesn't mean making a joke of everything.. or a cutting remark with an imoji smile to soften the blow. Respect and tolerance for others views and ways of life should be a given.

 

[GuestD]

Maybe its time to move most of the posts on this thread (and possibly quite a few from other threads) to a new “The older I get, the better I was” thread and allow the “usual suspects” to get on with it without drowning out the quieter voices of those who don’t have an opinion on every subject and whose narrow waistlines and broad minds have yet to migrate in opposite directions.

Well for what it's worth, before I posted my initial post in this thread I thought long and hard knowing full well where I would draw the flak from, and I was 100% correct in my assumption. My waistline is the same as it always has been (32") and every day is a learning day, plus I haven't forgotten I was once young and stupid, now I'm old and stupid. Difference is I admit it and don't really care, or feel the need to let everyone know I'm a fully fledged expert on everything from dentistry to nuclear fission. Happy days, and enjoy the life ahead.

 

[Woody girl]

Well for what it's worth, before I posted my initial post in this thread I thought long and hard knowing full well where I would draw the flak from, and I was 100% correct in my assumption. My waistline is the same as it always has been (32") and every day is a learning day, plus I haven't forgotten I was once young and stupid, now I'm old and stupid. Difference is I admit it and don't really care, or feel the need to let everyone know I'm a fully fledged expert on everything from dentistry to nuclear fission. Happy days, and enjoy the life ahead.

Yes it's getting quite predictable isn't it?