Do farmers look more kindly on tarps as opposed to tents?

[backpacker]

Sometimes I go into the Ashdown Forest and have put up my tarp for the night and on a few occasions have had visits from the local Rangers in the area and over the last couple of years I have got to know a couple of the Rangers pretty well and when they know I'm around they always seem to turn up when I'm making a brew I have always used a tarp when setting up camp for the night which the Rangers prefer as it blends in well with forest rather than a tent as they are not too happy with people camping in the forest unless it's an official site, but now I've been there so many times they except me and also I'm helping them when it comes to the deer in the area as one of the Rangers once said 'its another set of eyes looking over the deer' as in the past some of the deer have been killed by poachers, like you Goatboy I've had the odd stranger turn up and have had a chat and you can normally tell within a few minutes if they are genuine or whether you should be on your guard.

 

[9InchNinja]

Yes we do, often armed and in number. I nearly slotted a squadie one night as he was where he shouldn't have been. We ended up having tea and sarnies but it could've gone very much the other way by his being where he shouldn't be.

Sent via smoke-signal from a woodland in Scotland.

I used to go to Swannacott wood in Cornwall (as I lived about 2 minute walk away) every other weekend for a night or two. Barely ever saw another person, let alone anyone in authority.

I'll keep this in mind though next time I'm sneaking around in FC woods uninvited!

I presume you're on the look out for poachers more than the odd bushcrafter though?

 

[Goatboy]

I used to go to Swannacott wood in Cornwall (as I lived about 2 minute walk away) every other weekend for a night or two. Barely ever saw another person, let alone anyone in authority.

I'll keep this in mind though next time I'm sneaking around in FC woods uninvited!

I presume you're on the look out for poachers more than the odd bushcrafter though?

On that occasion I was helping one of the keepers, someone had been poaching and wounded a deer. We were trying to find the poor beast to put it out of its misery. It was a very cold and rather shocked soldier that we put the lamp on that night. Though he was glad of the sarnies and hot tea.
I must admit I never really bothered about folk being in the woods. They were there to be enjoyed. It did irk me though when we asked folk to stay out of areas for their and our safety due to ongoing opperations. Harvesting, shooting, spraying and the likes can be dangerous, not only to the public but to those carrying them out if unawares folks are present.

Sent via smoke-signal from a woodland in Scotland.

 

[bushwacker bob]

You can't stop me sleeping on the foot path mmwah hah hah hah

Obstructing a footpath is an offence too.

 

[didicoy]

You have a right to pass and repass on foot. But not to loiter. Sorry I mention to quote petrochemicals "you can't stop him sleeping on a foot path bla bla"

 

[9InchNinja]

Yeah, I was always mindful to find myself a quiet little corner hidden away, out of sight. Probably why I hardly ever saw anyone else. Although on some nights some unexpected company would have been welcome.

 

[boatman]

Your legal right is to "pass and repass along the way". You may stop to rest, admire the view, or consume refreshments, providing you stay on the path and do not cause an obstruction. Moot then whether sleeping is forbidden. I tend to fall asleep when I rest.

 

[artschool]

Your legal right is to "pass and repass along the way". You may stop to rest, admire the view, or consume refreshments, providing you stay on the path and do not cause an obstruction. Moot then whether sleeping is forbidden. I tend to fall asleep when I rest.

i always thought pass and repass was just that.

where does it say you can do the rest?

edit: googled a bit more and you are indeed correct.

 

[nic a char]

"I wouldn't want it changed for a moment Colin, all that "right without responsibilities" is very much not how I believe things should work. Fine in a true wilderness, but there hasn't been any of that for a thousand years. Indeed all that sort of stuff is why we pulled out of the place we were looking to buy in Scotland. I suspect most English people still prefer the notion of private property and polite request. As you say it has worked for a thousand years."
Erm no it hasn't - it only "works" for the over-protected rich, who have succeeded in imbuing many "commoners" with the deluded serf attitude this quote betrays.

 

[petrochemicals]

Obstructing a footpath is an offence too.

Well the ramblers association will just have to walk through my tent or tarp, merrilysinging.

 

[birchwood]

I think my first reaction would be "You found enough flat ground in my garden?" Followed by "Is that you birchwood"

Sorry, couldn't resist

J

Its only a little tent Followed by `put the kettle on `

 

[petrochemicals]

This has to have roots somewhere in rights of transit.

An Englishman or woman could build a house on common land, raise the roof over their head and have a fire in the hearth between sunrise and sunset, then they could have the right of undisturbed possession.[

particularly the bit about sunrise and sunset, considering you have the right to "rest"

 

[boatman]

I love the way that discussion about stealth camping and possible use of footpaths comes back to the "you wouldn't want them camping in your garden" absurd argument. When one could camp freely in the New Forest curtilages were out of bounds, as they are in Scotland and Scandinavia where wild camping is permitted.

 

[didicoy]

This has to have roots somewhere in rights of transit.
particularly the bit about sunrise and sunset, considering you have the right to "rest"

Nothing at all to do with rights of transit. From what I understand it was at a time when manual labourers were actively moving about the country in search of the work. In order to establish some rules/ control over temporary dwelling in and around communities. This was a way to manage development on land owned by the crown. In days when road sweepings were collected and mixed with dung, sand, mud, lime cement, to incorporate into timber framed buildings. Some of these buildings survive today and command a high price for both nostalgia and favoured positions. The Sun up to sun set rule limited the likelihood of large dwellings being built, if any were built within that timeframe other than simple shacks. PRoW was a result of government acts (laws) introduced such as the Tythe awards & enclosure act. When landowners were asked to identify Any foot path, bridle way, Rupps, BOAT etc. The incentive for land owners to nominate, include, invent these Rights of Way, was that the % of land taken up by such rights of way, could be deducted from the total amount of land owned and therefore subject to Taxes.

Please set a good example for all users of the countryside. Bush crafters, like ramblers are ambassadors for best practice and the promotion of the Countryside code. Respecting the Law of the land and the wishes of landowners can only help to make formal and informal access for recreation more sustainable.

 

[bushwacker bob]

Well the ramblers association will just have to walk through my tent or tarp, merrilysinging.

Merrily singing 'Who's the idiot wild camping without permission or blocking a footpath and doing his level best to ensure landowners are reluctant to grant permission to the more considerate.'

 

[petrochemicals]

Nothing at all to do with rights of transit. From what I understand it was at a time when manual labourers were actively moving about the country in search of the work. In order to establish some rules/ control over temporary dwelling in and around communities. This was a way to manage development on land owned by the crown. In days when road sweepings were collected and mixed with dung, sand, mud, lime cement, to incorporate into timber framed buildings. Some of these buildings survive today and command a high price for both nostalgia and favoured positions. The Sun up to sun set rule limited the likelihood of large dwellings being built, if any were built within that timeframe other than simple shacks. PRoW was a result of government acts (laws) introduced such as the Tythe awards & enclosure act. When landowners were asked to identify Any foot path, bridle way, Rupps, BOAT etc. The incentive for land owners to nominate, include, invent these Rights of Way, was that the % of land taken up by such rights of way, could be deducted from the total amount of land owned and therefore subject to Taxes.

Please set a good example for all users of the countryside. Bush crafters, like ramblers are ambassadors for best practice and the promotion of the Countryside code. Respecting the Law of the land and the wishes of landowners can only help to make formal and informal access for recreation more sustainable.

Does not the first point agree with my point about it being baised in some sort of transit rights, and the sanctimony at the end contradict your point/my point about ancient rights, right to rest? I havn't the ancient rights handbook to hand at the moment but you REALLY REALLY SEEM TO AGREE WITH THERE BEING SOMESORT OF CODE OF TRANSIT.

 

[petrochemicals]

Merrily singing 'Who's the idiot wild camping without permission or blocking a footpath and doing his level best to ensure landowners are reluctant to grant permission to the more considerate.'

I forget the love for ramblers with bulls in fields, blocked footpaths etc in some portions of the country. To be honest I would be of the opinion that to do set out with the aim of camping on private land is trespass. To take a break enroute is only within decent human rights and humaine. With no damage done you can't complain of intent.

To pose a problem, any place of residence visible is over a mile away by foot and there is over a mile between all the visible dwellings that can be seen. The light is failing. They didn't mean to take so long journying and are caught out, tired, dehydrated cold disorientated because of a freak midsommer storm, near a dangerous rocky outcrop.
Would a farmer be less disgruntled by a tarp or a full tent before going on to become the noble hero and savior of our distressed and lost souls.

 

[Quixoticgeek]

Heading out to a dark hillside to watch the stars. It's cold, so to keep me warm I've taken my sleeping bag to sit in, and a bivvi bag to protect it from the dew... oh, and a sleep matt to insulate me from the cold ground. The stars are beautiful, the ISS just went over, along with an iridium flare... So pretty, so relaxing. Oh it's 8am. How did that happen? I didn't intend to stay here all night, I was just enjoying the stars, honest guv. Tea?

J

 

[sunndog]

I dunno.
I really don't like the poor attitude and "i know my rights" barrack room lawyer type stuff on this thread
Just be a decent member of the human race and ask permission before making use of another persons property

So you look up all these anciant rights. To what end? So you have some ammunition to throw at a landowner when the poor bloke comes over to see whats going on in his back yard
Yeah, that would make for a really nice end to your relaxing night out under stars, and probably put that landowner off granting permission to the next person that comes along even if THEY have the common decency to ask before trespssing, sorry i mean "stealth camping"

 

[petrochemicals]

I dunno.
I really don't like the poor attitude and "i know my rights" barrack room lawyer type stuff on this thread
Just be a decent member of the human race and ask permission before making use of another persons property

So you look up all these anciant rights. To what end? So you have some ammunition to throw at a landowner when the poor bloke comes over to see whats going on in his back yard
Yeah, that would make for a really nice end to your relaxing night out under stars, and probably put that landowner off granting permission to the next person that comes along even if THEY have the common decency to ask before trespssing, sorry i mean "stealth camping"

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Well make sure you and your kids are well behaved when they travel to 'our back yard' via schools shopping etc. We may not own the commom places here by right, but the local community of the comprehensives\colleges when rural kids take heroin that they bought from countryside drug dealers by robbing my neighbour of her money down the shopping centre, shoplifting and wanton actcs of violence and vandalism, before leaving on a bus to go back to there rural retreats. Getting our kids into bad ways selling them heroin. And before you start with all that it's just for personal consumption legal stuff, it may stop people being so amenable towards country folk