Dark age meet up?
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Eric_Methven
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Oooh, that sounds cheaper than another nose studThanks Toddy!
We could even make it up to look like a bleedin' great zit about to burst.
It's a kind offer but I think that it'd be interesting experiment/endeavour if I made it myself.
What would a suitable crutch look like? I've had a look but I've been unable to find anything relevant
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Don't know, but if you find out will you post a link ?
Looks like Russ may well be hirpling about with you
cheers,
Toddy
p.s. Hope you're healing well
atb,
M
Looks like Russ may well be hirpling about with you
cheers,
Toddy
p.s. Hope you're healing well
atb,
M
I was a bit apprehensive about making the clothes or finding suitable garments for the period but my wife found a site and a basic costume does not look that difficult to put together...so you can put me down as coming
You could also try here as it has a lot of useful links
http://thorsonandsvava.sccspirit.com/pdf_files/Viking_handout_women.pdf
http://thorsonandsvava.sccspirit.com/pdf_files/Viking_handout_women.pdf
If you want a custom pattern to fit you then try this llink -
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/smockpat/index.html
I know its for an elisabethan chemise but the cut is perfect for a viking/saxon cyrtal and its dead easy to get it to fit perfectly see my attempt on post 69.
Cloak is 1.5 x 2 m wool and i think is going to be essential if this weather is to continue
Cheers
Nick
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/smockpat/index.html
I know its for an elisabethan chemise but the cut is perfect for a viking/saxon cyrtal and its dead easy to get it to fit perfectly see my attempt on post 69.
Cloak is 1.5 x 2 m wool and i think is going to be essential if this weather is to continue
Cheers
Nick
Thanks Nick! That's a great help, there isn't to many actual photographs of women's dress.
I've extended it a bit to acutally make a dress, unfortunately, my wool blanket is of the natural variety, so it could do with being dyed or something, although I think it might get a bit muddy and look the part anyway
I was wondering, if it gets too cold, is it okay to wear thermals underneath if the public cant see them?
ps, As for a belt, would a woolen one do?
I've extended it a bit to acutally make a dress, unfortunately, my wool blanket is of the natural variety, so it could do with being dyed or something, although I think it might get a bit muddy and look the part anyway
I was wondering, if it gets too cold, is it okay to wear thermals underneath if the public cant see them?
ps, As for a belt, would a woolen one do?
Thanks Nick! That's a great help, there isn't to many actual photographs of women's dress.
I've extended it a bit to acutally make a dress, unfortunately, my wool blanket is of the natural variety, so it could do with being dyed or something, although I think it might get a bit muddy and look the part anyway
I was wondering, if it gets too cold, is it okay to wear thermals underneath if the public cant see them?
ps, As for a belt, would a woolen one do?
I think thermals would be fine & unobtrusive a narrow (20mm or so) leather belt would be the most authentic preferably with a single brass buckle (ie a D shape rather than a H shape). Woven wool (Tablet Braid) would do fine if you can find one.
Cheers
Nick
xylaria
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
I found the links on this page very good.
I have gone for the pleated drawstring linen underdresses in undyed cream. I can't tablet weave yet so for decoration I have mostly plumbed for wool herring bone stitch embriodary, I might use nallbinding trim on some garments. This has seemed to make the peasant LARP kit look like period anglo dane peasant. I am a bit confused on the outer most layer for women at the moment, rectanglar blanket or round mantle. I have both, and also a two wool ponchos, which don't seem period. My main worry is that I can't get the kids to wear itchy kit.
I have gone for the pleated drawstring linen underdresses in undyed cream. I can't tablet weave yet so for decoration I have mostly plumbed for wool herring bone stitch embriodary, I might use nallbinding trim on some garments. This has seemed to make the peasant LARP kit look like period anglo dane peasant. I am a bit confused on the outer most layer for women at the moment, rectanglar blanket or round mantle. I have both, and also a two wool ponchos, which don't seem period. My main worry is that I can't get the kids to wear itchy kit.
Sounds excellent
One of Trishbo's daughter's is a nightmare to dress in kit, anything at all itchy/ scratchy/ rough/ is just a No!. We get around it by using linen for underpinnings and around the neck and cuffs.
If you find it a problem and think the linen edgings might work, let me know, I have a box load of linen scraps (fairly large ones, just not enough for garments) and you are welcome to them.
Tablet braid is really easy; shall I bring down some sets and we'll show folks how ? Inkle braids are even easier and just as accurate. They make excellent belts and straps though
cheers,
Toddy
One of Trishbo's daughter's is a nightmare to dress in kit, anything at all itchy/ scratchy/ rough/ is just a No!. We get around it by using linen for underpinnings and around the neck and cuffs.
If you find it a problem and think the linen edgings might work, let me know, I have a box load of linen scraps (fairly large ones, just not enough for garments) and you are welcome to them.
Tablet braid is really easy; shall I bring down some sets and we'll show folks how ? Inkle braids are even easier and just as accurate. They make excellent belts and straps though
cheers,
Toddy
xylaria
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Thanks for the advice. Lining the wool certainly seems an option. I found the linen I bought needs a hot wash to take off the starch before wearing otherwises it itches like nits. I have some tartan which is wool mix, it looks like wool but is so soft it can be worn next to the skin, I worry that it maybe too complicated a plaid to be period. It is blue green main stripes with red and lemon yellow pin stripe boxes. It has the right blue. Simerlar to flower to scotland tartan.
I found this shirt that could be made with scraps. It is most likely atipical.
viborg shirt
I found this shirt that could be made with scraps. It is most likely atipical.
viborg shirt
I'd love to have a go at tablet weaving, I've been looking on the interweb but it seems a mite complicated...
The inkle braid thingy sounds interesting too. Toddy you do know some cool stuff
The inkle braid thingy sounds interesting too. Toddy you do know some cool stuff
I think we'll pester Eric to make some wooden cards for us, see what he's up for barter ?
That shirt has always raised eyebrows. I've even heard the supposition that it was patchwork or an early heraldic devise
There are several 'cuts' of fabric that I would have no qualms about...the basic T shape, the Neolithic, and the standard narrow woven centre panels and sleeve and gores cut diagonally along a length to give fullness.
Cloaks are fine from either a rectangle of cloth, a hood with a yoke, or the birrus Britannicus ( I think this is what later becomes the alb ? in religious garments
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Tartan is a funny one; basically no, but stain it dark and it'll pass just as a check (soak in strong tea or coffee once all the fabric finishers have been removed )
As for colours, any of those on the colour wheels on this page are authentic
http://www.seamstimeless.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
However, it appears that not everyone had access to those dyes and the general aim is for less 'bright' colours and not such depth on shades of red, blue or black unless one is wealthy.
Bareheaded seems to be a major no-no, everyone wore something on their heads. The woolen or linen caps are fine for men, married women seem to have worn headscarves, and it was a mark of a good housewife that her linens were 'clean' neat and tidy. Rags are not the usual attire.
I've got spare courrans if anyone has size 3 or 4 feet. They are very soft but we can waterproof them a bit using beeswax. If anyone wants a pattern, let me know ?
atb,
M
That shirt has always raised eyebrows. I've even heard the supposition that it was patchwork or an early heraldic devise
There are several 'cuts' of fabric that I would have no qualms about...the basic T shape, the Neolithic, and the standard narrow woven centre panels and sleeve and gores cut diagonally along a length to give fullness.
Cloaks are fine from either a rectangle of cloth, a hood with a yoke, or the birrus Britannicus ( I think this is what later becomes the alb ? in religious garments
)Tartan is a funny one; basically no, but stain it dark and it'll pass just as a check (soak in strong tea or coffee once all the fabric finishers have been removed )
As for colours, any of those on the colour wheels on this page are authentic
http://www.seamstimeless.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
However, it appears that not everyone had access to those dyes and the general aim is for less 'bright' colours and not such depth on shades of red, blue or black unless one is wealthy.
Bareheaded seems to be a major no-no, everyone wore something on their heads. The woolen or linen caps are fine for men, married women seem to have worn headscarves, and it was a mark of a good housewife that her linens were 'clean' neat and tidy. Rags are not the usual attire.
I've got spare courrans if anyone has size 3 or 4 feet. They are very soft but we can waterproof them a bit using beeswax. If anyone wants a pattern, let me know ?
atb,
M
I'll make myself a cap out of the scrap wool... at least I'll match lol!
I hope Eric will make us some cards I'll barter with him If he lets me know what he would like so I can sort it out before I get there 
(Hint hint)
I hope Eric will make us some cards
I'll barter with him If he lets me know what he would like so I can sort it out before I get there (Hint hint)You could make cyrtals from linen it would be quite acceptable, use it double weight if you are concerned about warmth or if close at the neck and cuffs they could just wear a long sleved top underneath. The viborg shirt is indicative that there were quite possibly 'underwear' in use in winter climes so based on that a few small liberties could be taken. I hope to sew myself a viborg shirt purely for an extra layer againg the york winter.
Cheers
Nick
Cheers
Nick
xylaria
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
I couldn't make head or tail of tablet weaving intructions on the web, but it looks like the type skill you can spend a week reading instructiions or someone could show you 10 minutes.
The head covering thing is strictly enforced in the viking group my next door nieghbour goes to, and looking at their website they all wrap their hair more or less the same way. Looking at vikings on line and waylands site, there is range from bare headed, to coppergate cap type through to saxon "hijab". I was going to do a coppergate style bonnets, one from linen and the other from wool, solely to keep my bonce warm. What is or is not decent attire for women is pretty cultural it would be say permissable for a hijab wearing saxon to think york women dress like floosies for showing their locks from under thier caps. In much the same way that modern british asian women can get treated by thier peer group.
Thanks for saying about the tartan, I thought it looked too much.
The head covering thing is strictly enforced in the viking group my next door nieghbour goes to, and looking at their website they all wrap their hair more or less the same way. Looking at vikings on line and waylands site, there is range from bare headed, to coppergate cap type through to saxon "hijab". I was going to do a coppergate style bonnets, one from linen and the other from wool, solely to keep my bonce warm. What is or is not decent attire for women is pretty cultural it would be say permissable for a hijab wearing saxon to think york women dress like floosies for showing their locks from under thier caps. In much the same way that modern british asian women can get treated by thier peer group.
Thanks for saying about the tartan, I thought it looked too much.
