Cegga Axe for sale on Ebay

[British Red]

There is no paradox in my motives Aaron - my motivation is fairness and equanimity to all concerned.

It is clear that a future group buy on this forum will only cause strife and thats the last thing I want - so I won't organise one. Thats not to say that I won't work with Cegga to offer his axes to those that want them - just not via BCUK

I think that concludes my part in the discussion

Red

 

[weaver]

Stores have to pay VAT and staff for a start!

I doubt there will ever be a shortage of customers - I have had dozens of enquiries from the USA (we haven't sold any there yet as I have been putting them all on here).

Red

We'll be happy to have no more sell on BCUK and all of the axes sold in America.

 

[atross]

Always been a bit of a lurker on this forum, but for some reason this thread has evoked a response. There are some interesting points raised, but I don't think there is any hidden motives in Red's actions. From looking at the group buys over the years, they always comes across as for the better of the bushcraft community. I have benefited from Wayland's hammock and netting buys and many have benefited from Red's axe buys (I have all ways just missed out!). I have noticed some complaints about people missing out and Red changed the times a which he posted the group buys to try to accommodate for this. I can imagine that there is a lot of time effort and consideration that goes in to putting one together and that should be recognized.

It would be a shame to not see these axes going for the prices they have previously been sold at, and to be sold with the same ethos (as I would love one), but we do live in a commercially driven world which unfortunately puts somethings out of the reach of those who would put them to there correct use and get maximum enjoyment out of them.

Red and all those that put the effort into organizing group buys as well as those who put real effort into continuing the development of this community, thank-you. Even though I don't all ways agree with your opinions what you do do is greatly appreciated from those that are lazy lurkers.

 

[BorderReiver]

Ooooh, this thread looked like it was gonna get a bit heated there for a moment!

I have no doubt of Reds' integrity, and I can also say that when aspersions are cast on a public forum about your honesty and integrity, it hurts. Some of you may know that I no longer visit another well known forum due to things that were said in a similar vein to what has been said here. I know it is just a forum and that many of us have never met, but I still class many people here as very good friends that I am waiting to meet one day. So let's try to keep it civil and let's not fall out, after all the sky may fall on our heads tomorrow!

It's a pity you left the other forum spamel.

I re read the thread and the vast majority of posts were on your side.

It looks like you blundered into an unmarked field of dodgy sub munitions by accident. It would be a pity if you deprived yourself of a good forum over a regretable but resolved incident.

Still it's your call.

Glad that you're still here.

 

[Matt Weir]

It's a pity you left the other forum spamel.

I re read the thread and the vast majority of posts were on your side.

It looks like you blundered into an unmarked field of dodgy sub munitions by accident. It would be a pity if you deprived yourself of a good forum over a regretable but resolved incident.

Still it's your call.

Glad that you're still here.

Sorry to take this way OT but I'm itching to know what this 'other forum' is?

 

[Huon]

Hi Red,

No group buy is worth losing any sleep over so if putting these together is causing you grief then you are probably making the right decision to stop doing it.

That said, it would be a shame if these did stop. I think your Cegga group buys were run well and fairly. Any problems I had with them were my own when I missed a group buy and lost the opportunity to acquire an axe. This was bad luck rather than any issue with the group buy.

Personally I think you are doing both the forum and Cegga a favour by running these. If the price goes up so that Cegga gets a decent price for his axes that is entirely up to him. If your advice to Cegga is a factor in his decision that is also up to him.

Anyway, thanks for setting these up.

Huon

There is no paradox in my motives Aaron - my motivation is fairness and equanimity to all concerned.

It is clear that a future group buy on this forum will only cause strife and thats the last thing I want - so I won't organise one. Thats not to say that I won't work with Cegga to offer his axes to those that want them - just not via BCUK

I think that concludes my part in the discussion

Red

 

[Celt_Ginger]

I knew when I managed to get my Cegga axe that it was cheap, and I was very happy to get it at that price, especially as I had bid over £80.00 in a charity auction for one just a few months before and didn't win the auction. I suppose that if the Axes were sold in the makers market section, than British Red, as the designer of the axe, would be entitled to make some money from the sale for himself, as well as Cegga making a proper profit for his exquisite work. For Cegga to take a lump of steel, put his strength, skill and knowledge into the shaping of it, then find a piece of top quality wood and leather and marry all this together taking goodness knows how many hours, and then post it from Sweden to the UK and all for £45.00, well it's too good to be true, and I would definately expect him to be putting his prices up. Would I be prepared to pay a higher price for his work? Absolutely!

 

[gorilla]

Matt - take a look on a certain knife forum, and personally, i agree with Mike - Spam should still fell comfortable there

 

[Matt Weir]

Matt - take a look on a certain knife forum, and personally, i agree with Mike - Spam should still fell comfortable there

Aiye, I've checked it out. I hate it when threads get political so usually I tend to keep out of it whilst trying to coax the thread back on topic

 

[Glen]

...and then post it from Sweden to the UK and all for £45.00...!

Well if he took each of them down one at a time and so factor that time cost in they'd be a little more ( and still a bargain ) hence why I do see them, run as they have been, as within the group buy ethos.

 

[Staghound]

I've been a bit surprised at the heat in this thread, far as I'm concerned Cegga is entitled to charge what he likes for his work. He and Red will know if they go too high, the axes won't sell. Having just paid over £100 for a GB broad axe which, from the pics I've seen doesn't come close to the finish on Cegga's work, I reckon £45 quid was beyond a bargain (wish I'd seen them at that price mind).

Secondly I agree with Robin, when you make your living by selling stuff you make pricing is a nightmare, in the past I've pitched cheap to get the job and made a loss, if you make quality gear you should get the price it's worth, after all nobody's being forced to buy, it there are plenty of alternatives out there.

Finally, Red if you're still watching this thread, if there's ever a model similar to your wedding present up for sale, I WANT ONE !!

Steve

 

[Tony]

There’s no issue with the axes being in group buys, Hugh and I discussed it previously and the same situation still stands.

The situation is a little different to the norm though as there is not a RRP on a bespoke bit of craftsmanship. If the axes go up there's no issue, people have to decide if it’s good value for them, if they go up a huge amount then people will not buy them and the group buy will not happen. Group buys get offered to the members as an opportunity, they move forward because a number of members want to buy and voice that fact. It’s impossible to say that people are not getting a good deal or a discounted price because there is no set price, basing price on previous group buys would be a mistake as everyone that owns one of Cegga’s axes says that they have been underpriced and them going up in price is only fair for Cegga.

Hugh doesn’t get anything from all this except satisfaction and hassle and as with all group buys I always hope that the satisfaction outweighs the hassle for those kind enough to pull them all together and make them work. I’m happy with how things are running, if the price goes up no one is forced to pay it and people can decide if the group buy is worth participating in. I think that it would be better for the price to go up a bit and people on this forum still have a great opportunity to have a well crafted axe than see them all go to other places, no one is going to get stitched up.

Anyway, I’m waffling. All is well with the group buys, all is well with Cegga and British Red, let’s see what transpires, I think that knowing these guys all will be well.

 

[Gailainne]

........<snip> All is well with the group buys, all is well with Cegga and British Red, let’s see what transpires, I think that knowing these guys all will be well.

Well said.

BTW Is there a "keep your nose out of things that dont concern you" emoticon ? cause from a few recent posts we need one

Regards, and "Mods :You_Rock_ "

Stephen

 

[Cegga]

Hi!!
I have look&#180;t at this tread and I get so sad that the axe&#180;s create so much anger . For the first I did not make this axes to be a well know maker I have job more then I need with my damascus work .I make them only so you can get what I think a good and praiseworthy axe and it&#180;s seem like we did And I work full time as a axe smith so I did all axes at speer time .So when you think that Red did this to promot me or make some deal for him you are so wrong you can be . I have offer him some axes or money not for promot me only for the work he put in but he have always say no .But We have earn something thats more woth to me we became good friends and when you think wrong on the work he put in here on BCUK it hurt me to .If I was you I be glad to have a man like Red on my forum if I had one .Go Red Go :You_Rock_
About the price on the axes yes they maybe are sheap but I have no idea that they will go so good . I think you are little crazy in UK that want them so much

Cegga

 

[Tony]

You’re a good man Cegga and well said. Seriously , I don’ think that there’s bad feeling here, just some thoughts expressed and we’re all different and take them in different ways it usually comes good in the end though.

 

[Ed]

It is clear that a future group buy on this forum will only cause strife and thats the last thing I want - so I won't organise one. Thats not to say that I won't work with Cegga to offer his axes to those that want them - just not via BCUK.

Thats a shame.... you did us (BCUK) a wonderful service by providing an excellent product for a great price, but i understand that you do not want to cause agro to the few that seem to object. All I can say is thanks for doing this for our members here .... your a star

Ed

 

[British Red]

Well, what a strange thread!

Thanks for the kind words all. I do get how I do group buys is weird and can lead to misunderstandings but thats just the way I am.

To me its all about "playing it straight" a fair price to all, quick delivery etc. So with the axes its "heres the price, they are ready, buy em, they get posted, done". No deposits, no chance of someone going bust with peoples "paid in advance" money, just a quick, fair transaction.

Do I set the price? Sort of - I advise Cegga on whats fair and equitable and I write the words - but that's it. I don't touch the money (why pay two PayPal fees as much as anything - silly).

For the sake of clarity though, I do take both sets of interest into account - I wouldn't put my name to a Group Buy which I thought was ripping of BCUK members, but neither will I put up a price that is unfair to the maker - we have, as noted previously, seen too many A' Blades, Gerds and Andrew's for me to countenance any part of that.

I'm happy to continue doing buys on that basis - but if its going to cause strife then I can just do it outside of the forum. Given Tony is happy, I'm happy and we can, hopefully, draw a line under the debate with the knowledge that we'll set what we think is a fair price for each buy (and if its too steep for anyone, theres plenty more axes in the woods!)

All the best

Red

 

[weaver]

So, does that mean we still have no chance to have these in the states? uppy_dog

 

[Matt Weir]

So, does that mean we still have no chance to have these in the states? uppy_dog

Sorry Weaver but they are all ours MUHHAhhahahahahhahahaha

 

[Bushcraft4life]

So, does that mean we still have no chance to have these in the states? uppy_dog

Maybe we could equate some of the next (fingers crossed) batch of Ceggas axes to members in the US, they are as much a part of this community as us here in the UK and i am pretty sure the demand will be there.

But not before i get my grubby mits on one

And Cegga and BR, just for the record :You_Rock_