Bear on Ray
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So it's gone from bear and ray slagging each other off to forum members slagging each other off.
Time to look at being more tolerant and respecting other peoples opinions for what they are,opinions which we are all entitled to and which we should all be able to voice without fear of abuse and ridicule.
Time to look at being more tolerant and respecting other peoples opinions for what they are,opinions which we are all entitled to and which we should all be able to voice without fear of abuse and ridicule.
NIce one Andy
Bernie
No chastisement... not my place to. It was not my intention to insinuate that christian or any other religious values are of higher worth than any other values including financial ones.It just struck me that in his books Bear paints a picture of a very very religious christian Guy and it would probably be at odds with his own self image to slag Ray off on Tv or respond in a like vein to criticism As a matter of fact it irritates me intensely when people asume that because i am not religious i somehow have either no morals or a lower standard. in rejecting formal religion i have had to think long and hard in order to formulate my own position
Youre probably right about keeping to an image, though Ive not read his books, but i do know he promotes the alpha course. Ive been through the same dilemma as you i think - that of not following a formal religion and so taking my own moral stances, unfortunatley so many people (not people on this forum I might add) have a notion that morality comes from believing in god and not from the heart.
It's interestering for me to read these comments about Ray and Bear.I feel they are both good at what they do.They have BOTH influenced me in different ways.I thank them both for the work they have done on television and in print.They have both taken my family and myself to different places we'll never be able to get to ourselves.We have fun watching the adventures of both men, especially my 6yr old boy.
These arguments,to me are just silly.It's sounds a bit like two kids on a playground saying "My dad can beat up your dad!"
Thats just my opinion.
These arguments,to me are just silly.It's sounds a bit like two kids on a playground saying "My dad can beat up your dad!"
Thats just my opinion.
I didn't know Grylls was a Christian until now but he's always struck me as being almost Jesuitical in his enthusiasm for personal suffering. A member of Opus Die perhaps......?
In the interests of world peace and harmony, this week, I was mostly wearing a Ray Mears t-shirt under Bear G Merino-wool jumper. Ahhhhhhh.....
This either makes me a double loser (and I'm about to get flamed to kingdom come
:twak: ); or, a peacemaker, the likes of which should be at work bringing the much-misunderstood Terry Taliban in Afghanistan to the negotiating table. And, Terry, I promise not to shoot at you this time. :AR15firin
Flame away, boys!
By the way, the weather here is shocking today! Someone have a word, eh?
This either makes me a double loser (and I'm about to get flamed to kingdom come
:twak: ); or, a peacemaker, the likes of which should be at work bringing the much-misunderstood Terry Taliban in Afghanistan to the negotiating table. And, Terry, I promise not to shoot at you this time. :AR15firin Flame away, boys!
By the way, the weather here is shocking today! Someone have a word, eh?
Seems to me that Bear sells sensationalism, Ray sells knowledge. (Although I laughed when he touted the wondrous Baker tent while canoeing in Canada, then complained about how smokey the fire made it. He had it set up wrong - the awning gets thrown over the back when there's a fire in front. Wonder if anyone ever told him.)
Sorry to put in my pennorth, but having seen active service, in several theatres and worked many times with various arms of the special forces, although me not being that "hard" I'd like to point out that the rigours of their training, weather TA or Regular are so far detatched from "normality" it beggers beleif.
Ray Mears has inspired me in so much of my life, as far as Bushcraft goes. His method of teaching being 100% in tune with the natural world around him, especially here in the UK.
Bear Grills is a sensationalist for his TV, but from my own experience can confirm that a lot of it is used to teach special forces in their own survival techniques. For example, his time in Iceland where he tries to traverse the small deep fjorde, full of arctic melt water. He tells you that if you do go in, your body will immediately start to shut down from the shock of the sheer cold, therefore it best to scan the horizon of hot water steam vents to return your core temt to normal. Whats wrong in that. Damn good advie imho. Majority of his filming points out pure survival techniques NOT bushcraft skills. The time in Florida when he explains how to get out of a mud bog. Such simple things mean you'll live on in such crappy condidtions.
Eating some of the crap he does, IS sensational TV, but can save your life if you find yourself in similar circumstance.
BOTH give fantastic tips for either survival or bushcraft living. BOTH have a valid point.
I'd like to point out that the rigours of their training, weather TA or Regular are so far detatched from "normality" it beggers beleif.Ray Mears has inspired me in so much of my life, as far as Bushcraft goes. His method of teaching being 100% in tune with the natural world around him, especially here in the UK.
Bear Grills is a sensationalist for his TV, but from my own experience can confirm that a lot of it is used to teach special forces in their own survival techniques. For example, his time in Iceland where he tries to traverse the small deep fjorde, full of arctic melt water. He tells you that if you do go in, your body will immediately start to shut down from the shock of the sheer cold, therefore it best to scan the horizon of hot water steam vents to return your core temt to normal. Whats wrong in that. Damn good advie imho. Majority of his filming points out pure survival techniques NOT bushcraft skills. The time in Florida when he explains how to get out of a mud bog. Such simple things mean you'll live on in such crappy condidtions.
Eating some of the crap he does, IS sensational TV, but can save your life if you find yourself in similar circumstance.
BOTH give fantastic tips for either survival or bushcraft living. BOTH have a valid point.
Womble - after seeing that link, I thought a bit of "winner stays on" would be telling...
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Britney+Spears&word2=Bear+Grylls
Bear got his bottom kicked.
Haha.
Now, though I'm not keen on Grylls' show, I don't see the point of the whole Bear vs Ray thing. It is a tad silly.
Scots_Charles_River
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
The kids at school think Bear Grylls Eats anything, amazing, but Ray Mears is more knowledgeable and talks to people (tribes) and lights lotsa fires more.
They would vote for Bear Grylls over Ray Mears.
They would vote for Bear Grylls over Ray Mears.
Scots_Charles_River
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
I doubt TA SAS selection can be described as easy, especially as candidates are also holding down a full time job at the same time. I spent time as a regular permanent staff instructor in a TA unit and I was surprised to find out that they didnt just go back into a lead-lined box during the week...
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