Bear Grylls- TV programme
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That guy's programs are about as instructive and realistic as watching Rambo. Complete pulp infotainment. I can see why people are picking holes in them - but if what you want is armchair fodder then I suppose its OK. My £0.02 worth.
For those who enjoy watching the Bear, check out this
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article1457406.ece
The film crew's perspective!
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article1457406.ece
The film crew's perspective!
Nomad_Of_Soul said:
You do seem to be defending this guy a lot. Your real name, it isn't Bear Grylls by any chance?!!
His name is an anagram of:
GAS BRR YELL
GALE BRR SLY
SLAG BRR LYE
Interesting and strangely accurate...
GAS BRR YELL
GALE BRR SLY
SLAG BRR LYE
Interesting and strangely accurate...
bet you i can find a big diagram of how to smack the back of your knife with a rock in the sas survival handbook by lofty though
oh well there are good bits and bad bits, it's mostly entertaining. i'll still be watching if i remember, and the misrepresentation will still be irksome to me, and potentially fatal to someone else.
cheers, and.
If people follow this example in survival situation they are noy likely to survive.Mikey B said:
running down steep slopes, climbing more trees and crossing a dodgy old rope bridge are foolish the SUPPOSED sruvival situation.
bambodoggy
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Nomad_Of_Soul said:
What's in a name? One might say bushcraft, another survival and yet another wilderness living....is there a difference? Only to those that care
All credit to Bear for what he's been through and what he knows and is capable of but the show is made as TV entertainment and who ever let fact get in the way of entertainment?
Watch it and enjoy it for what it is and if you feel the need to tell us all where he went wrong then feel free too.....chances are we already know but hey it's still nice to talk about it.
Anybody remember the catch phrase "It's only a puppet"? Well this is "it's only a TV show".
And I agree with Marts.....we'll talk about what we like here thanks (within reason and the rules of course) and if you don't like it then don't join in
Cheers,
Bam.
I think there are many elements of bushcraft in these programs, or the two ive seen so far, but i also think these programs are very disingenuous.
I really got the feeling watching them that the settings had been scouted out well in advance in order to provide those dramatic shots that everyone has noted, by which i mean the water fall with the vines that he climbed down, the avalanche site and that gully between the rocks in the snow.
I still think this is a very polished rip off of Les Strouds programs.
I really got the feeling watching them that the settings had been scouted out well in advance in order to provide those dramatic shots that everyone has noted, by which i mean the water fall with the vines that he climbed down, the avalanche site and that gully between the rocks in the snow.
I still think this is a very polished rip off of Les Strouds programs.
Greg said:By the way I'm not sure who it was that said the TA SAS selection isn't as hard as the Regular SAS, but I say this to you, could you give up every w/end for 2 yrs plus attend 2 training nights a week in only 1 of 2 training establishments in the UK, which means you have to have the dedication to travel from where ever you live and back and then go and do your normal daily job in between which will probably mean you would have very little or no social life, and then hand yourself over to the JSSF Training Wing for final jungle, E&E and RTI Training to pass out as a special forces soldier.
The training doesn't stop there either you will be expected to be available at very short notice to go away for sometimes months at a time and not be able to tell anybody about it.
I certainly couldn't do it.
The TA SAS are every bit as good as the regulars and deserve all the respect that their counterparts get!
So if Mr Grylls was indeed TA SAS then my hat goes off to him because the training regime is alot harder than what a regular soldier would have to go through purely for the fact that he would have to try and get on with his civilian life after the training which I reckon would be pretty solid!
End of rant!!
It was me.
No offense meant.
I didnt say it was easier - i said it wasnt the same - it isnt.
I would never knock anybody from the Regiment, regular or TA - been there & know better.
The majority of the training is (or was in my time) based more around the martial arts than the survival arts, for obvious and perfectly good reasons, that was all I was trying to say.
Cheers Nick
Zammo said:
hey, i never said i could read, i ju's' look at the pictures!
btw if any prehistoric apemen are reading this, the trick is to bang rocks together guys, throwing bones at the moon whilst humming a viennese waltz never got anybody anywhere... cheers, and.
Look at Bears' Web site click the link below
http://www.beargrylls.com/gallery.html
look at the 5th photo down in the middle column. The cameraman just happened to have a BEE Keeping overallls in his camera bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My ****! For me this photo proves that the whole thing is set up and engineered with a full crew and production personel - if you watch this episode on 'you tube' Bear presents the bee hive as a lucky chance encounter during his escape. This surely must be fabrication.
Having said all of the above I think the series is entertaining and fun and it makes me want to get my boots on.
Best wishes to all
Mike.
http://www.beargrylls.com/gallery.html
look at the 5th photo down in the middle column. The cameraman just happened to have a BEE Keeping overallls in his camera bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My ****! For me this photo proves that the whole thing is set up and engineered with a full crew and production personel - if you watch this episode on 'you tube' Bear presents the bee hive as a lucky chance encounter during his escape. This surely must be fabrication.
Having said all of the above I think the series is entertaining and fun and it makes me want to get my boots on.
Best wishes to all
Mike.
Mikey B said:
...if the shirt fits!
I dont care how many medical degrees the man might have, ...he's selling snake oil!
Buy into it if you like, ...or not - it's your dollar.
Martyn said:...if the shirt fits!
I dont care how many medical degrees the man might have, ...he's selling snake oil!
Buy into it if you like, ...or not - it's your dollar.
Priceless!!
I'd rep you if I could!
I've watched his US show a bit. Despite the criticisms I believe it's better entertainment than a lot of other stuff on the air.
Dear Lord its easy,
When Martyn and I agree, I suspect there are very few arguments to be had! The guy is not only a "snake oil merchant" he is quite simply a fraud. I'm happy to use the word. He is is "using a vine to abseil down a waterfall". Oh, but the pictures say he isn't. So his insurance company said no? Why? Because its simply a stupid risk to take. Insurance companies make money being professional at assesing risk. Risk assessment is about the risk / benefit assessment. It does not mean risk should be avoided - it means risk should be assessed against the potential benefit of success when assessed against the impact of failure compared to probability of outcome.
He's making a fish hook...only he isn't (evidenced again). Would anyone care to suggest his insurance company had an issue with manufactured fish hooks?
His canyon jump?
His bowdrill?
Its about as real as "pro" wrestling. Even the advice is spurious and actually contrary to advice given to people who might actually have to "survive"
So, bad advice, poor continuity checking, inappropriate risk assessment, demonstrable untruth. It is about as relevant as Rambo and less true than Jackass.
He's turned a quid on it. Good luck to him. However, he is about as relevant to the world of outdoor living as a Big Brother contestant. And about as limited in what he will do for money.If he wants to make some piece of wannabe fiction, he might at least have a vestige of integrity and badge it as such.
Red
When Martyn and I agree, I suspect there are very few arguments to be had! The guy is not only a "snake oil merchant" he is quite simply a fraud. I'm happy to use the word. He is is "using a vine to abseil down a waterfall". Oh, but the pictures say he isn't. So his insurance company said no? Why? Because its simply a stupid risk to take. Insurance companies make money being professional at assesing risk. Risk assessment is about the risk / benefit assessment. It does not mean risk should be avoided - it means risk should be assessed against the potential benefit of success when assessed against the impact of failure compared to probability of outcome.
He's making a fish hook...only he isn't (evidenced again). Would anyone care to suggest his insurance company had an issue with manufactured fish hooks?
His canyon jump?
His bowdrill?
Its about as real as "pro" wrestling. Even the advice is spurious and actually contrary to advice given to people who might actually have to "survive"
So, bad advice, poor continuity checking, inappropriate risk assessment, demonstrable untruth. It is about as relevant as Rambo and less true than Jackass.
He's turned a quid on it. Good luck to him. However, he is about as relevant to the world of outdoor living as a Big Brother contestant. And about as limited in what he will do for money.If he wants to make some piece of wannabe fiction, he might at least have a vestige of integrity and badge it as such.
Red
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