Didnt Ray mears help design the wilkinson sword survival knife, which was based on the mod survival knife. or am i getting my knives mixed up. I am sure i have an old copy of combat and survival somewhere that gives Ray credit for being involved in it in someway. Besides like most things peoples tastes and requirements change over time and with experience.
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Thats what i thought as well.
Never handled the Wilkie so can't comment on the knife per se.
Have handled the Bayley Knife ( ie its not the Bear knife its the Bayley Knife ,its after all the makers creation , not the user ) and it's a very fine piece of kit. I'd def take one , just not at that price and waiting list.
I'd doubt this would be the case as the Scout Association knew what they were getting with Bear. On the knife issue the Scouting PR team had to move through the gears after a Mail journalist took selective bits out of a Dave Budd feature in the Scouting magazine on knife useage and made it look like the Scout assocaition were saying that Scouts can't use knives anymore!
That's good, you just can't be sure with all this PC madness that has invaded our society.
Is he?
My readings not what it should be you see and I must have missed that bit
Me too. Careful reading doesn not show blatant American bashing, just another opportunity to start a spat here.
Oh goody!
If he starts a spat with American bashing to join the spat concerning Bear Bashing we will have a pair of spats.
Spats are a very fashionable and smart way to keep mud out of your boots!
Isn't it great how the English language can be mis-interpreted?
If posts coudle be read to reflect the true intention of the Poster and not coloured (or is thet colored?) by the readers reading it then we would have half the spats we do on this site....but what use is half a pair of spats?
If he starts a spat with American bashing to join the spat concerning Bear Bashing we will have a pair of spats.
Spats are a very fashionable and smart way to keep mud out of your boots!
Isn't it great how the English language can be mis-interpreted?
If posts coudle be read to reflect the true intention of the Poster and not coloured (or is thet colored?) by the readers reading it then we would have half the spats we do on this site....but what use is half a pair of spats?
Guy's just pack it in, tadpole, no matter how you read it you stirred the pot, so, please all ignore the comments that got the spoon going, also, no BG bashing, and , and , and...there must be something else you've all done wrong....
When it comes to the knife i have to say that I don't really care, i appreciate that it's good gossip for some but we'll know soon enough when they tell us, or not as is likely the case, I just like knives that work well they make knives with the name on to make money and spread the word, such is life.
BG's ok as well and so's Ray
When it comes to the knife i have to say that I don't really care, i appreciate that it's good gossip for some but we'll know soon enough when they tell us, or not as is likely the case, I just like knives that work well
they make knives with the name on to make money and spread the word, such is life. BG's ok as well and so's Ray
I actually own one of them and I have to admit it's rubbish. The blade is too deep, it's too thick, the handle isn't comfortable in extended use, the steel is so fantastically hard that it's next to impossible to get even a half-decent edge on it. It is beautifully made - I'll grant you that - but I now use it to demonstrate a poorly designed (over designed?) knife.
I did have the foresight to ask not to have the signature/celebrity endorsement all over it but, given the ruction between the maker and the Chief Scout, maybe I should have had it left on - it might be worth more second hand as there'll become rare ...
Hey we Americans aren't all that bad... Oh you've seen Fox News.... Never mind.
Maybe it was a mutual decision since he could not deliver in a timely manor? Maybe he dropped Bear because Bear was asking for too much of cut? Or maybe Bear saw the $ in doing a mass production model? It does not really matter much. I would never pay the extra just for a famous persons name on the blade.
Maybe it was a mutual decision since he could not deliver in a timely manor? Maybe he dropped Bear because Bear was asking for too much of cut? Or maybe Bear saw the $ in doing a mass production model? It does not really matter much. I would never pay the extra just for a famous persons name on the blade.
I did have the foresight to ask not to have the signature/celebrity endorsement all over it but, given the ruction between the maker and the Chief Scout, maybe I should have had it left on - it might be worth more second hand as there'll become rare ...
I have heard from Rob Bayley. There is no ruction between him and Bear at all and he is still supplying him with his signature knife. It is Robs design and he is overwhelmed with orders and feels it is time to move on.
Rob Bayley is one of the UKs top knifemakers and as far as I can see he is losing that recognition and becoming known more for being the maker of the 'Bear Grylls knife', with less emphasis on his knifemaking skills and other models. Hopefully it will end now and he can carry on designing more models and weedling down the waiting list to a more realistic level.
Rob Bayley never charged extra for Bears signature, the cost to produce the knife and the mark up so he can make a living is nothing unusual. As I've said before, he even machines his own bolts. If you handle one of these knives you can certainly see that the money goes into the production. This seems to have been overlooked and having Bears name on it has created more controversy between collectors and users and interested parties on the cost than if he had not had it on there in the first place. This should die down now.
Shame Ebay went the way it did. All you BG Bayley knife owners would have made a killing.
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From: Rob Bayley
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:51 AM
To: 'Bear Grylls Advocate'
Subject: Bear Grylls S4 Knife
Hi Mark,
There is no real comment, other then to say
Yes quite a development but things are still amicable between Bear and my self and nothing is untoward, it is simply time to move on.
Kind regards,
Rob
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:51 AM
To: 'Bear Grylls Advocate'
Subject: Bear Grylls S4 Knife
Hi Mark,
There is no real comment, other then to say
Yes quite a development but things are still amicable between Bear and my self and nothing is untoward, it is simply time to move on.
Kind regards,
Rob
I hope Rob doesn't mind me repeating this but it's a testament to the knifes durability...
In the time that Rob Bayley has been supplying Bear with his knives, he has only had four (the way he treats them, I thought this would be well into double figures). Apparently he lost one down down a glacier, mashed the tip on one jamming it into a rock face which eventually wore it out, but he has never broken one Amazing.
In the time that Rob Bayley has been supplying Bear with his knives, he has only had four (the way he treats them, I thought this would be well into double figures). Apparently he lost one down down a glacier, mashed the tip on one jamming it into a rock face which eventually wore it out, but he has never broken one
Amazing.
B
BGadvocate
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Good points! I never held the knife, but always assumed if Bear uses it...it must be outstanding! Of course, you can tell from the specs, materials and craftsmanship that the S4 would hold up against most situations!
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