a point to be made

drewdunnrespect

On a new journey
Aug 29, 2007
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now as we all know there is a thread called kit and more. now i am not trying to slagg anyone off or to make debate about class cos i dont give a monkeys about class and its not important.
now the reason i am writing this thread is maybe he does have a point and that is.

bushcraft accoding to HRH Ray Mears is all about knowing more so carrying less.

Now some of us and i include myself in this carry more kit in to the woods than my local millets has in its hole store

now does that not seem a bit wrong to you cos to me it definatly does to me but the reason i carry all this gear is because i can and i want to be comfy so why not

Yet it somehow still feels wrong.

whats your opinion
 

Graham_S

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Feb 27, 2005
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As I recall, it was Mors Kochanski that coined the term "Carry less by knowing more", but another quote to keep in mind is one from another great outdoorsman.
Nessmuck said "we go out to the woods not to rough it, but to smooth it"
 

Karl82

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Oct 15, 2010
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i say take all the kit you want to carry but have the knowledge to keep you self commfy if you lose it all or lose only some of it or if it breaks and cant be repaired.
 

Paganwolf

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Jul 26, 2004
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Im a lazy barstuard lol :rolleyes: therefore i hate carrying kit into the wilds that im not going to use or need (ooooh well i may need this and that etc etc) therefore i carry less buy knowing more lol, i also make jobs easy for my self and make the best use of the materials that are around me, hey its what the san bushmen do look at the sizes of their ruck sacks!!!

I see some folks with more shiny kit than a small strike force hanging out of trees and off of tripods and scattered around their pits like a kit admin catastrophe, if they are happy doing that and carrying it in and enjoy what it gives them then i think thats great, its a hobby a pass time interpreted in a plethora of different forms, pick the one that makes you happy and go for it either less is more or more is a 100ltre bergen:).

Just do it enjoy it meet great people and pull the corn cob from your behind and live and let live, come on feel the love !! :grouphug: :grouphug: :240: :240:
 

Paganwolf

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Jul 26, 2004
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As I recall, it was Mors Kochanski that coined the term "Carry less by knowing more", but another quote to keep in mind is one from another great outdoorsman.
Nessmuck said "we go out to the woods not to rough it, but to smooth it"

Nessmuck was a kit junky of the highest order lol, if he was around now old grumpy eagle owl would be posting about him and his titanium kitand goretex like a mad man!!
 

JonathanD

Ophiological Genius
Sep 3, 2004
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I like to take the minimum, purely because I don't like carrying stuff. But if you like lots of kit, get all the pleasure you can out of it, just don't ask me to carry any.
 

resnikov

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
I would love to go out in to the woods with just the clothes I am wearing and maybe a knife and survive and be comfy but at the moment I don't have the skills or knowledge to do that. So at the moment I take enough kit so I am comfy, warm and safe whilst I try and learn the skills.
 

lannyman8

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Jan 18, 2009
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i can go to the woods with very little and stay warm and safe and dare i say it be comfortable, after all pine needles do the same job as a foam mat, but some times its just not practical to spend the time collecting etc etc...

there for i take some other kit to save time, im happy with 25kg on my back, i have before and will again sooner or later, but then im in the army and used to it....;)

each to thair own and all that....

ps. i cant wait to see all your kit at Brockwell Drew.....;).....lol
 

ged

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Jul 16, 2009
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In the woods if possible.
Well before I joined this forum I somehow seemed to manage with a lot less kit than I have now, so that must tell me something. :confused:

But I feel for Eagle Owl, he's obviously not happy and I don't think we've helped him very much.
 

Elines

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Oct 4, 2008
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I would love to go out in to the woods with just the clothes I am wearing and maybe a knife and survive and be comfy but at the moment I don't have the skills or knowledge to do that. So at the moment I take enough kit so I am comfy, warm and safe whilst I try and learn the skills.

Spot on so far as I am concerned.

And no matter how much stuff we take to be comfortable, the other 99% of the population couldn't even do that. I was at a BBQ the other week and when I said what I did re camping out eg when it was -10C (and I know that is nothing compared to what a lot of people on this site can do) they generally thought I was barmy - mind you I was quite pleased when one bloke described me as an 'eccentric'.
 

Humpback

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Dec 10, 2006
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now as we all know there is a thread called kit and more. now i am not trying to slagg anyone off or to make debate about class cos i dont give a monkeys about class and its not important.
now the reason i am writing this thread is maybe he does have a point and that is.

bushcraft accoding to HRH Ray Mears is all about knowing more so carrying less.

Now some of us and i include myself in this carry more kit in to the woods than my local millets has in its hole store

now does that not seem a bit wrong to you cos to me it definatly does to me but the reason i carry all this gear is because i can and i want to be comfy so why not

Yet it somehow still feels wrong.

whats your opinion

Here's mine:
Good grief. Its a hobby not a b****y religion!
Do what you want (as long as its legal - but that is another tyre kicking session) and enjoy it. Please also remember that opinions are ten a penny and worth as much [including mine of course]!
 

Bushwhacker

Banned
Jun 26, 2008
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Dorset
I enjoy roughing it as I tend to go into animal mode when I'm out. Not carrying much means I'm more mobile. I know any fool can rough it but it depends what you're into.
 

Jock

Forager
Feb 26, 2009
181
0
East Kilbride
Just finished reading Ultralight Backpaking tips by Mike Clelland
Scary Stuff & not for me.
I carry too much even if Im just walking the dog.
 

Paul_B

Bushcrafter through and through
Jul 14, 2008
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It wasn't all he was saying. He also commented on all modern gear and synthetics being wrong in some way. Or at least that is how I read his rant. These are two different aspects and have different responses from me.

I only carry what I will use and need. I don't carry spares for things (unless I'm deliberately on a trip out to compare alternatives, say to stoves). I carry as small and light a kit list that I feel its safe to carry for the conditions and terrain I'm in. In that I agree with that aspect of his rant and your view Drew.

The other aspect of not needing or wanting modern gear. Well I accept you can find old technology that works. Take many of the original pioneers such as Hillary and Irvine. Their wool, silk and even cotton clothing has been proven to work in that high altitude arena. Some work better than their modern counterparts others less but they do work. That has been proven by Leeds Uni high performance textiles department's highly respected research into the clothing obtained in that expedition to find the bodies (one was found and the clothing sent to Leeds together with other contemporary kit I believe). However it is heavier and in today's market is more expensive. I mean have anyone tried to get a harris tweed jacket of the quality they used in those days?? It was all handmade for them, tailored to fit.

IMHO to counter the second comment about modern synthetics I say it is up to you but IME good, modern and synthetic kit works in UK conditions as part of a system. I say system as Irvine and Mallory had a clothing system to. System allows you to adapt it to the prevailing conditions by layering up or down. Simply put synthetic kit works better overall than available non-synthetic clothing systems or at least that is my opinion for me anyway. Even merino wool fails for me as it gets overwhelmed and absorbs the sweat and moisture but doesn't actually wick it away sufficiently. I see nothing wrong with using good synthetic gear in the UK outdoors, especially where I go in the Lakes and Scottish hills (some call them mountains but they aren't tall enough for that category).

I agree with less is more but not with sticking with the past in kit choice. I say go with the best you can afford for you that is. You can get really good kit at reasonable prices these days. I have a full spec goretex pro jacket with full features such as venting and helmet compatible hood that can cinch in if not wearing a helmet. It cost me £260 or £220 if I'd gone for the smock version. That is expensive to some but when I looked around I couldn't find any goretex pro jacket that fitted me with these features I needed for much less than £300 or even £400!! The MHW ones didn't fit me but were available for about £180.

BTW I don't take a big knife out if I won't need it. I have a light opinel or even just a SAK or a tiny locking, folder from Whitby that is little over 1" long blade if I want to be truly light. I take light gas or meths stoves (not a trangia but can or other UL types). Sometimes a Honey stove with four sides. Tarp and bivvy, sleeping quilt weighing 600g and either a CCF, a TAR or a CCDF and TAR in winter. The CCF is cut down from a 130g rectangular full sized mat to a 3/4 length for me (I'm 6'5" tall) and that was scored at regular intervals to create a good fold (with tape to hold it) and also cut down to a coffin shape too my exact body shape. Anyway I'm trying to do the less is more thing as you can tell. I am afraid hygiene issues is stopping me from only taking one set of grundies on a 2 week trip!! I'd rather the extra weight of a second pair!! ;) :D
 

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