A New Life Style An Old Style Way

[Solitude]

PS: If you want to live in sweden, to live here, buy a house do bushcraft and make your living from a job. We need really builders here, plummers, carpenters etc etc. In the news they where telling that they have troubble finding people who can work and build houses, electricans etc etc
There is a need for doctors, dentists etc. So, we got a lot of german dentists up here who have the wilderness as a hobby, they hunt, fish and enjoy the fireplace but DONT make a living from the land but from money making.


have fun
Abbe[/QUOTE]

Hi Abbe,
Thanks for your input. I plan to base myself in Varmland "Arvika "region, so i will have schools close by if we have kids in the futrure, this will be my modern home, as in electricity, water, tv etc... but it will be situated in the countryside away from neighbours. I also plan to get somewhere in Jamtland maybe a bit more basic, then i can go to one for real wilderness and one to quiet but practical countryside.
I plan to rent for 12 months first to find my feet and to plan the next stage, to seek a way of making some pennys to live from. I have a few ideas.

If you PM me your details i would love to do the hunting exam with you when im there.
In my brain there is no "cant" i am set on the idea and will see it to fruition. . I hear what you say and that you paint a real picture, but my reasons for hunting would be so i knew where the meat came from and for self satisfaction of knowing i dealt with it from kill to plate not based on cost, After all i but a free range chicken rather than a non free range chicken, its more expensive to do this, but i know its had some quality of life, so even if it was more expensive to hunt the meat i would still do it.

All the best, hope you find a nice place down south.

 

[Abbe Osram]

I loved Dorians book, its fun but remember that he was a cartoon artist too. He knows about drama and fun. His story being frozen to a snowmaschine and pissing in his trouser is very funny to read yes, but is that the life up in the north?

If you want to read something real than I must say that the "The Final Frontiersman" is quite near to real life up north. Esspecially when you read to the end and see how the family is doing now and when you search the net what they are doing now. Its not so easy to raise kids in the wild esspecially when they grow up.

There is a real danger in dreaming the dream, there is nothing wrong in being critical of our sociaties but dreaming doesnt solve these issues. One should read about
Christopher McCandless and others as a warning.

I cant stress it enough that each who want to change his live in such a dramatic way, should not dream but learn about himself.

1. If you are dreaming of living alone in the Alaskan forest why not trying it out in england first.
2. If you are dreaming to live from the ground why not spending a year as a cheep and unpaid helper working for a farmer in england? If you still love the earth and the food and no pay you surly will have the strenght then.
3. I would suggest that you start taking no more hot showers for a year. You get up in the morning and go straight under the cold shower. The next level could be that you take these funny shower sacks where you have to fill in the water first. If you and your lady still love it in england then you surly will make it.
4. Instead of buying ready stuff buy living animals, kill them and eat them. Instead of buying ready bread make it every dam day for yourself. I know its fun to bake a bannock but if you have to do it every single day of the year, the fun stopps being funny and the thought of having it a bit simpler starts creeping in. When I openend the breast of the first animals and the stence of warm guts around me, I was not so keen on eating it.
A course is fun but if you have to do it every single day you start thinking about life and what it cost you. All these things you can live already in england and if you can do it without needing to do it, boy how good you will manage when you need it.
The point is not living like that for 5 hours on a weekend course but living it for a year in england. You can do your own planning and tell yourself I only go if I manage it.
You can even sleep in the forest in england and go to your job every day, I was reading here a year ago someone here did just that. I am sure that this guy will sleep fine here too in the forest.

The ideas are endless, be creative and start today if you really want to provoke a change in your life.
cheers
Abbe

 

[fredcraft]

Not really Fred as we would like to visit and tour first so are very much open-minded in terms of province though we would prefer a smaller community type place as opposed to a city. We only have very basic French language skills - bonjour, au revoir, je m'appel Matt etc basically what I remember from school so I'm not sure if that would in anyway limit things.

I cannot speak of other provinces, only Quebec and Ontario. But If you like wilderness, both are great provinces with, as Tommy stated, many national parks. Most of the people of the other provinces (other than Quebec) mainly speak english so your lack of knowledge of french might only affect you if you come to live in Province of Quebec. Although, there may be a French competence exam depending of the job you would take.

In any case, there is no lack of small communities whereever in Canada you may want to go and life can be quite cheap ! And if you fancy doing bushcraft in endless fields of cereals, Manitoba / Saskatchewan are the provinces to go

Cheers,

 

[Matt Weir]

I cannot speak of other provinces, only Quebec and Ontario. But If you like wilderness, both are great provinces with, as Tommy stated, many national parks. Most of the people of the other provinces (other than Quebec) mainly speak english so your lack of knowledge of french might only affect you if you come to live in Province of Quebec. Although, there may be a French competence exam depending of the job you would take.

In any case, there is no lack of small communities whereever in Canada you may want to go and life can be quite cheap ! And if you fancy doing bushcraft in endless fields of cereals, Manitoba / Saskatchewan are the provinces to go

Cheers,

Thanks for the info Fred.

 

[Abbe Osram]

Hi Abbe,
Thanks for your input. I plan to base myself in Varmland "Arvika "region, so i will have schools close by if we have kids in the futrure, this will be my modern home, as in electricity, water, tv etc... but it will be situated in the countryside away from neighbours. I also plan to get somewhere in Jamtland maybe a bit more basic, then i can go to one for real wilderness and one to quiet but practical countryside.
I plan to rent for 12 months first to find my feet and to plan the next stage, to seek a way of making some pennys to live from. I have a few ideas.

If you PM me your details i would love to do the hunting exam with you when im there.
In my brain there is no "cant" i am set on the idea and will see it to fruition. . I hear what you say and that you paint a real picture, but my reasons for hunting would be so i knew where the meat came from and for self satisfaction of knowing i dealt with it from kill to plate not based on cost, After all i but a free range chicken rather than a non free range chicken, its more expensive to do this, but i know its had some quality of life, so even if it was more expensive to hunt the meat i would still do it.

All the best, hope you find a nice place down south.

Hi mate,
its good you take it slowly. You dont need me to teach you hunting. The cheapest and easiest way is to go to your local student circle when you are here in sweden. The hunting association is holding classes in each town in the evenings. You will have to go some month in the evening learning, then you will buy three books to learn from and do one theoretical and several practical tests. Then you get your hunting liccense. You will have to buy the weapon, ammo, weapon safe, insurence through the hunting organisation, yearly hunting fee to the government, and the regional fees. That sounds quite a lot but its easier when you do it and is way cheaper than hunting down in europe. I am talking here about birds and rabbit hunting. Going after the big animals like moose and bear thats another show, it cost quite a bit and you need contacts.

Hope that helps a bit
cheers
Abbe

 

[KAE1]

Abbe,
From a common sense, practical perspective you are absolutey right about trying this lifestyle in England. As I said in my post there are loads of opportunities here and what you are advising is a taste of reality.
When I read Dorians books I had the same thought.... could I rough in the uk for a year or two, if not I certainly couldn't in Canada/Alaska.

I have been a fieldsportsman all my life and done a fair amount of work on the land, gralloching deer at - 5 degrees , at dusk is a bit of a chore sometimes, butchering in your dimly lit garage can be a messy afair, all carcass handling in mid summer is a race against time. Yet as a hobby we add a novelty factor and its fun. Incidently I stopped ferreting after 20yrs as I started to question my right to kill loads of perfectly healthy rabbits with my bare hands, one day I un netted a rabbit, looked at it stroked his fur and let him go.

However....... Always thinking logically and practically can suffocate passion, love excitement, desire etc etc (all the things that prove we are really alive) and sometimes you need to make a physical/geographical break, put some real miles between the bad times and the future and if it doesn't work out it will still be a great experience "everything is good for you if it doesn't kill you" on that note I really hope Solitude chases his dream through to conclusion.

 

[Abbe Osram]

Abbe,
From a common sense, practical perspective you are absolutey right about trying this lifestyle in England. As I said in my post there are loads of opportunities here and what you are advising is a taste of reality.
When I read Dorians books I had the same thought.... could I rough in the uk for a year or two, if not I certainly couldn't in Canada/Alaska.

I have been a fieldsportsman all my life and done a fair amount of work on the land, gralloching deer at - 5 degrees , at dusk is a bit of a chore sometimes, butchering in your dimly lit garage can be a messy afair, all carcass handling in mid summer is a race against time. Yet as a hobby we add a novelty factor and its fun. Incidently I stopped ferreting after 20yrs as I started to question my right to kill loads of perfectly healthy rabbits with my bare hands, one day I un netted a rabbit, looked at it stroked his fur and let him go.

However....... Always thinking logically and practically can suffocate passion, love excitement, desire etc etc (all the things that prove we are really alive) and sometimes you need to make a physical/geographical break, put some real miles between the bad times and the future and if it doesn't work out it will still be a great experience "everything is good for you if it doesn't kill you" on that note I really hope Solitude chases his dream through to conclusion.

I absolutely agree with you, hundred percent. I even consider a total failure as something positive. You learn something; you did something that’s life, keep moving. I did so many stupid things and people still pull my leg about some of my failures, (My wife surly will help out on this), I don’t regret one of them. Because I dared, I will not sit with 50 years old being depressed because I never dared to try them. I know today that I am more an artist and a romantic type than being the tuff forest Hero.

One thing I did right and that is, with all my experiments. I am still alive, it didn’t cost any other persons life, I could correct all my mistakes, I never had to call the rescue team to bail me out. I never shot and harmed anyone, no animal either suffered long. I am happy but I am worried when I hear about people getting a fit in their midlife crisis giving up on family and dashing out in their dreams hurting themselves and others.
That’s all. I too hope that everyone who wants to try will do it, its much better than not knowing.

All the best yours
Abbe

 

[Doc]

It's a most interesting thread. There is no doubt that we sell one of our most precious and limited commodities - our time - in order to make money to buy things we don't need. I can't stand urban life and I can understand the romantic urge to live off the land, etc.

I remember reading somewhere that most people who attempt to move to a rural area and live 'self-sufficiently' fail. The two main predictors of success are:

1) having a partner who is also totally committed to the idea, and not just going along with it for your sake

2) having a separate source of income

Certainly while working as a GP in the highlands and islands of Scotland I met many people who had moved up from England in search of the simple life. A lot of them were pretty miserable, especially if they were not working. Most of them had come up on the basis of a brief trip in summer. It is always different in winter.

For my part, I think I work too many hours, but I am very happy with the place I live - rural Scotland. I like the people. I can walk or paddle freely where I want. I go deer stalking for free. I shoot rabbits for free. I can fish for trout for £15 a year. I can shoot geese and ducks on the foreshore for free. My house cost a lot less than an equivalent one in England.

One problem is you really need a car in rural areas, and that costs money.

On occasions I have visited Scotlands largest county, Englandshire. There are many nice places down there but the thought of living in one of the teeming cities fills me with horror.

 

[BorderReiver]

Nice one Doc.You seem to have the best of both worlds.

We have trouble with retirees in Norfolk.They come up from London in the summer and have a wonderful time in our beautiful countryside for a few weeks.They sell up,leave their established friends and family and move up here.

After a few weeks the moans start;no public transport;no entertainment;hospital 1/2 an hour away;any worthwhile shops 1/2 an hour away etc.

All you hear is "it was done much better in London" whether in the hospital,the pub.the town centre or anywhere.

It's always worth planning thoroughly,what ever you intend to do.If you're lucky,you can get real advice from folk like Abbe who've been through the full experience.

 

[Brendan]

My friends,
if you want to learn more about the true state of the world or at least look from another perspective I can recommend the film ZEITGEIST
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=ZEITGEIST&total=547&start=10&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=0
Hard hitting stuff if your new to the material and this is probably not the right place to post a
link to it, but considering the thread and after viewing I think a great many of you will agree it was worth a watch.

 

[woodstock]

My friends,
if you want to learn more about the true state of the world or at least look from another perspective I can recommend the film ZEITGEIST
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=ZEITGEIST&total=547&start=10&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=0
Hard hitting stuff if your new to the material and this is probably not the right place to post a
link to it, but considering the thread and after viewing I think a great many of you will agree

it was worth a watch.

It has been known to a lot of people for a long time slowly filtering down through rank and file only a few choose to do anything about it and on the whole most wont because they are secure in their existence and dare I say happy, our rights are eroded at a alarming rate hence the reason the drop out society can never take place the powers who rule do not need useless eaters, non productive = useless eater

 

[Abbe Osram]

My friends,
if you want to learn more about the true state of the world or at least look from another perspective I can recommend the film ZEITGEIST
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=ZEITGEIST&total=547&start=10&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=0
Hard hitting stuff if your new to the material and this is probably not the right place to post a
link to it, but considering the thread and after viewing I think a great many of you will agree it was worth a watch.

Big thanks to you mate for sharing the link with me. I believe it was one of the most important movies I saw.

thanks
Abbe

 

[bushman762]

My friends,
if you want to learn more about the true state of the world or at least look from another perspective I can recommend the film ZEITGEIST
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=ZEITGEIST&total=547&start=10&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=0
Hard hitting stuff if your new to the material and this is probably not the right place to post a
link to it, but considering the thread and after viewing I think a great many of you will agree it was worth a watch.

I just got round to giving this a go...I would recommend everyone to give it time and watch the film...brilliant and answered a lot of questions for me, and filled in lots of the blanks too!

Cheers,

 

[Brendan]

I'm just glad you guys enjoyed the film, certainly interesting material which effects us all.

We need to get educated in the things that matter, if any one wants more of the same please feel free to PM me for a few more links, I've been researching this stuff for almost 20 years and although I don't have all the answers I'd be happy to point you in the right direction for you to make up your own mind...

Cheers

Brendan

 

[KAE1]

Just watched the zeistgeist clip (S.o.r.r.y again solitude for going off topic) .Always had an interest in paganism and druidry so the first part was familiar.

Ironic really - a media player telling me not to trust the media, you just don't know who to believe.

 

[Mirius]

Well I started to watch the Zeitgeist clip, but turned off at the religious mockery. Fine to disagree with something, no issues with that, but I've no interest in anyone who does takes that attitude and it tells me all I need to know about the views they hold.

 

[Brendan]

Well I started to watch the Zeitgeist clip, but turned off at the religious mockery. Fine to disagree with something, no issues with that, but I've no interest in anyone who does takes that attitude and it tells me all I need to know about the views they hold.

That's a shame you turned it off at the beginning, and I can understand if you follow a faith part 1 may sound blasphemous and ridiculous and it is the right of anyone to discredit it to their hearts content but the rest of the film talks of other parts of the puzzle you still may find interesting.

Apologies to Solitude if I have taken this thread off topic, the barriers most face if wanting to live a more simple life in the country and the general problems in society are indirectly addressed in the video. Anyway good luck Solitude you lucky bugger, I was going to do the same in Finland last year but I've had to put that back a while due to family issues.

Cheers

Brendan

 

[Solitude]

That's a shame you turned it off at the beginning, and I can understand if you follow a faith part 1 may sound blasphemous and ridiculous and it is the right of anyone to discredit it to their hearts content but the rest of the film talks of other parts of the puzzle you still may find interesting.

Apologies to Solitude if I have taken this thread off topic, the barriers most face if wanting to live a more simple life in the country and the general problems in society are indirectly addressed in the video. Anyway good luck Solitude you lucky bugger, I was going to do the same in Finland last year but I've had to put that back a while due to family issues.

Cheers

Brendan

No worries its good to talk!!

By the way im not a lucky bugger i am a determined bugger!

Chow

 

[herby]

The people who love me have other people they love or just won't like the way of life maybe..

I don't have any skills in building a log nor can I grow my own food or hunt but I am a hard worker. And everything can be learned I like to say.

But then again, my parents won't let me go.. also my girlfriend won't let me go
QUOTE]

The hardest parts not leaving
The hard parts not going away
It's the life you have to take with you
And the price other people have to pay

The hardest parts not leaving
The hard parts not going away
It's the life you have to take with you
And how little you really want to stay

The Humpff Family Beaujolais Nouveau
from the album Mothers

 

[Solitude]

There are Doers and Dreamers,

A Do'er never Dreams and a Dreamer never does.

A Do'er aspires, plans and has vision, there is no obstacle that can be placed in front of a doer.

A Dreamer is content in convincing himself that he would or could, but convincing himself that he cant.

The mind is a very powerfull thing, just look around you, everything manmade you see started as an idea in someones head, the monitor in front of you was just an idea, the wall in the room, the house you live in the chair you sit on everything was a spark in someones mind, From nothingness to creation, They were Do'ers, you can be to. Make it happen, if you want it.