A New Life Style An Old Style Way

[jojo]

Nice one Solitude,
Me and the missus are of the same mind. We're heading off to the Yukon hopefully later this year.
We're leaving for exactly the same reasons you are. Money (or lack of), restrictive laws, crime and just a general social breakdown that seems to have affected this country over the last few years. (i'd best not get started).
As much as i love the UK, i no longer feel proud to be British. I no longer have a sense of identity. And, living in semi rural worcestershire, i'm getting penalised for not living in a big city. ( am getting a ranting head on, will shut up now).
Good luck mate, i hope you make a good go of it.
Baggins

The Yukon would also be my dream land. I have wanted all my life to live in remote places. I have also put many obstacles in my own way. Some put themselves there. It's really difficult. the more you think about doing it, the more difficult it becomes to actually do it. I came to England from France in 74 and I loved this country when I first came. Then love and children came and I am still here.

But I have come to dislike the gready entity this society has become, the constant striving to have more, more, more... the ever more restrive laws, the selfishness of a lot of people, the greed of the governement.

A couple of days ago, I stopped a dog from running away onto a road, the owner came runnig to the dog screaming, not at me, but I just could have been a ghost standing there: no acknowledgement I was even there, no thanks, didn't even look at me. Now I didn't do it to get thanks, but there was nothing from these people, just selfishness.

That for me now epitomises the general attitude in this country: me me me. And I won't even mention the obscene amount of money land & property cost.

I couldn't go back to France either: I have family there It's not home anymore, it hasn't been for along time.

I generally keep to myself to, and I have come to regard this site as a saving grace: people who broadly have the same opinions, dreams, attitude than I have. Long may it live without interference from the "powers that be" they might think we are becoming some dangerous subversives

So I want out!! And the Yukon would fit the bill for me, because I think I have that "can do" attitude you need to live there, self reliance, where you are not judged by what you have or what you wear or what you do or what car you drive.....

Rant over, thanks for putting up with me here:You_Rock_

Stop dreaming about it: do it would be my advice If I was asked for it! The longer you dream, the less time you've got left to DO IT.

 

[KAE1]

Sorry Solitude, couldn't resist adding one more;


The offices are emptying their pale faced wards into the streets.
Flickering their strip-light eyes, shivering they readjust their lives
From the air-conditioned heat.
The humdrum and mundane
Is nearly driving them insane.
But you get hooked so quick to anything
Even your chains,
You're crouching in your corner 'til they open up your cage.

Chorus:
And when the night comes
It'll help you disappear
And when the night comes
Forget about the day that brought you here.

Frankie takes the train and makes it home in time to catch the evening news,
Opening a can of beans he learns the world has turned without much help from him.
Hey Frank, why not get drunk tonight?
Hey Frank, I think it'll be alright,
You'll be too far gone to notice when the neighbors start complaining,
But they're used to it by now, every day's the same.

(repeat chorus)

And when the night comes,
He might get on the phone,
She's a stuck-up bitch,
But she lives on her own,
And he heard her talking dirty to the girls the other day,
And she knew that he had heard her and she looked "as if to say"
And then later up in marketing while going through the files,
She bent a little too far down, then turned around and smiled.
He got her number,
He got the phone,
He dialed the number,
He heard the tone.
He said "Tonight's the night that I've been waiting for,
Oh I know you've seen me worship you from afar,
And I might tell you that I love you and I will but just for
Tonight, one night, alright tonight."
In his three piece cunning camouflage nobody
can guess what Frankie's thinking,
Last night she said "I don't know if I'm drowning
Maybey it's because I'm sinking."
He said "It'll be okay
I'll get outta here one day"
And she said "Frankie, you're no different from any of the rest,
They've nailed you to that table and chained you to your desk."
But when the night comes....

(repeat chorus)

 

[Solitude]

Nice one Solitude,
Me and the missus are of the same mind. We're heading off to the Yukon hopefully later this year.
We're leaving for exactly the same reasons you are. Money (or lack of), restrictive laws, crime and just a general social breakdown that seems to have affected this country over the last few years. (i'd best not get started).
As much as i love the UK, i no longer feel proud to be British. I no longer have a sense of identity. And, living in semi rural worcestershire, i'm getting penalised for not living in a big city. ( am getting a ranting head on, will shut up now).
Good luck mate, i hope you make a good go of it.
Baggins

Hi Baggins, Thanks. That sounds interetsing, where abouts in Yukon and are you residing un officially!!

 

[Solitude]

Solitude, couldn't resist adding one more;


The offices are emptying their pale faced wards into the streets.
Flickering their strip-light eyes, shivering they readjust their lives
From the air-conditioned heat.
The humdrum and mundane
Is nearly driving them insane.
But you get hooked so quick to anything
Even your chains,
You're crouching in your corner 'til they open up your cage.

Chorus:
And when the night comes
It'll help you disappear
And when the night comes
Forget about the day that brought you here.

Frankie takes the train and makes it home in time to catch the evening news,
Opening a can of beans he learns the world has turned without much help from him.
Hey Frank, why not get drunk tonight?
Hey Frank, I think it'll be alright,
You'll be too far gone to notice when the neighbors start complaining,
But they're used to it by now, every day's the same.

(repeat chorus)

And when the night comes,
He might get on the phone,
She's a stuck-up bitch,
But she lives on her own,
And he heard her talking dirty to the girls the other day,
And she knew that he had heard her and she looked "as if to say"
And then later up in marketing while going through the files,
She bent a little too far down, then turned around and smiled.
He got her number,
He got the phone,
He dialed the number,
He heard the tone.
He said "Tonight's the night that I've been waiting for,
Oh I know you've seen me worship you from afar,
And I might tell you that I love you and I will but just for
Tonight, one night, alright tonight."
In his three piece cunning camouflage nobody
can guess what Frankie's thinking,
Last night she said "I don't know if I'm drowning
Maybey it's because I'm sinking."
He said "It'll be okay
I'll get outta here one day"
And she said "Frankie, you're no different from any of the rest,
They've nailed you to that table and chained you to your desk."
But when the night comes....

(repeat chorus)

Bloody hell!! all we need now is a campfire and a beer ( musics sorted!!)

 

[pibbleb]

This is an interesting thread. We often have the same discussions at home. I often talk about different places and how cool it would be to live there etc etc, and my wife dutifully pats me on the head and says yes dear!

But more recently she is coming around to the idea, particularly as she is starting to realise she is our golden goose as she is training to be a midwife and will effectively be our green card for places like Canada, Australia and New Zealand, although Australia is out, to many man eating things there!

The toughest thing is the kids. We are blessed with two fab kids a daughter who is a very bright star with talk of full scholarships for a really good school from her current school. But she's only 7 but again if we leave when the missus qualifies we risk missing out on such a great opportunity fir her, but is it that great!

We'd never discussed Sweden before, and it looks great plus they always do pretty well in the Eurovision song contest , but I wonder how much of what you will leave behind here you'll get where ever you go?

Wish you all the best. Have you considered posting a blog of your preparations as I'd certainly be interested to see how you get on for one, plus we could probably do with the tips!

Pib

 

[Wintrup]

Solitude. I started a Similar thread here: http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22101

Although it was less about emigrating and more about getting back to the bare essentials of existence, as you alluded to already. I think a lot of people feel the way you do. This country is governed with corporations in mind and not its people.

What worries me though is the way you're talking about money. I don't think it's quite that easy to cut money out of ones life and you would need some income. With this in mind, how will you generate an income in a country where you don't speak the language?

 

[dommyracer]

Way to jump a sinking ship. Instead of buggering off to 'get away from it all', why not stay and try and make things better?

We all have the ability make a difference, thats why we have a democracy. Don't like something? Work to change it.

 

[pibbleb]

Way to jump a sinking ship. Instead of buggering off to 'get away from it all', why not stay and try and make things better?

We all have the ability make a difference, thats why we have a democracy. Don't like something? Work to change it.

Seems a little harsh!

Pib

 

[Wintrup]

Way to jump a sinking ship. Instead of buggering off to 'get away from it all', why not stay and try and make things better?

We all have the ability make a difference, thats why we have a democracy. Don't like something? Work to change it.

Democracy. This word gets bandied about all too often, especially by politicians, but does it reflect our current system. Let's look at the word democracy. It's derived from the Greek (demokratia) meaning the rule of the people. Demos=people and Kratia=rule. Do the people rule? Let's look at the example of the invasion of Iraq. Was it the peoples choice to go to war with Iraq, or the decision of a few?

Currently there is no political party that remotely represents my aspirations for this country. So who can I vote for to represent me in Parliament? Therefore, effectively, I have no vote. Hardly a democracy. The main stream political parties represent business, not people.

There is currently a huge need in this country for a grass root movement that represents the majority. But I'm doubtful that this will happen anytime soon as the insidiously, pervasive influence of Political Correctness frightens people from expressing their views publicly.

Yes, we have the ability to make a change, but the not the opportunity.

 

[jojo]

Change things: the french people did it in 1789! Perhaps that what it will take for politician to listen. They listened to the people over the poll tax, didn't they..... but I don't think there is the appetite for this here on this day. The majority get what they want, seemingly, and don't want to upset the apple cart.
Same for me, I don't have a voice in the politics of this country: I am still french and despite paying my taxes since 1974, (yes I am generously allowed to ) I cannot vote, except at local level. Effectively that counts me out. I can, also generously, respond to "consultations", but no one in power takes any notice of this anyway. I can finally vote for the french general elections! For what good it would do to me or anyone else

Anyway, politics are a minefield. I am bailing out of it....

 

[Solitude]

Solitude. I started a Similar thread here: http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22101

Although it was less about emigrating and more about getting back to the bare essentials of existence, as you alluded to already. I think a lot of people feel the way you do. This country is governed with corporations in mind and not its people.

What worries me though is the way you're talking about money. I don't think it's quite that easy to cut money out of ones life and you would need some income. With this in mind, how will you generate an income in a country where you don't speak the language?

Hi, Yep money the bain of my life!! But i suppose i would need some of it so heres how i plan on getting some. I will choose an area that has tourist influx, i will either build a log cabin and do holiday rentals or open canoe trips/journeys (theres over 100,000 lakes). Or i will if i have to, run a little internet shop or something. No hurdle will defeat my plan, you can like others have suggested place as many obstacles in your own path as you want, some people like that excuse as it makes them seem like they want to do it but they cant. Some peeps have kids and i imagine that would need a little more planning but no one says once your there you have to stay there, theres always an escape plan. For me the obstacles were i had an estate agency business which went plop, and im still responsible for the office, so ive got to get rid of that, i also half own a house with a mate that we did up, so ive got to ofload that, ive also got £30k of debt i need to sort out, two dogs need rabies, transporting etc... But i think some times you got to just say **** it and do it!!

Someone suggested i do a blog of my preperation for the move, which i will consider if it helps others. My main plan is to rent for 12 months in a rural area, see the seasons in and out explore the areas where we want to live and then buy either a small place or plot. Ive got a landrover disco that im tweaking to enable us to have a good scout around. My partner is a little nervous because of the language thing but english is widely spoken and it wont take long to grasp it, if it does i shall just point and nod!!!

 

[Solitude]

Democracy. This word gets bandied about all too often, especially by politicians, but does it reflect our current system. Let's look at the word democracy. It's derived from the Greek (demokratia) meaning the rule of the people. Demos=people and Kratia=rule. Do the people rule? Let's look at the example of the invasion of Iraq. Was it the peoples choice to go to war with Iraq, or the decision of a few?

Currently there is no political party that remotely represents my aspirations for this country. So who can I vote for to represent me in Parliament? Therefore, effectively, I have no vote. Hardly a democracy. The main stream political parties represent business, not people.

There is currently a huge need in this country for a grass root movement that represents the majority. But I'm doubtful that this will happen anytime soon as the insidiously, pervasive influence of Political Correctness frightens people from expressing their views publicly.

Yes, we have the ability to make a change, but the not the opportunity.

HERE HERE! Did they listen to the people on the anti war march against the war in Iraq, they have there own agendas or the agendas of there financial sponsers.

 

[jojo]

But i think some times you got to just say **** it and do it!!


I absolutely agree, that's is the only solution sometimes. To stop dreaming, talking about it, finding reason why or why not. Just go for it, and deal with the consequences .

The only things I will regret when I am old are the things I have not had the courage to do.

 

[KAE1]

I work with a few guys from southern Sweden from time to time and their English is superb.
There is a saying that goes something like;
Lord give me the courage to change the things I can,
The serenity to accept the things I can't change,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

Sounds like you're ready for that bold step Solitude, I think we will stick with our narrow boating plan, but it may come sooner rather than later - could always take our youngest out of school and along for the ride, I am sure a couple of years on the canals would be a good experience for her.

Anyway, best of luck whatever you decide - interesting thread, got lots of people feeling really subversive.

 

[unused[nl]]

You definitely need to have some kind of income! Because you can grow your own food but you need clothes, electricity, internet ( if you want that internet shop), and there are probably many more things of which I can't think of at this moment.

But how do you want to manage this? really building some kind of community? Or just with your wife? Both things have there advantages and disadvantages! with a community you could divide the tasks, one for hunting, one for farming etc. But then again if you are just with two, you need less food, ground etc etc
How do you see this?

 

[michiel]

I love the Levellers. I've seen them 9 times so far. Great gigs and great lyrics. Have all their cd's and video's / DVD's.

Nice to see some other fans.

Michiel

 

[dommyracer]

Yes, we have the ability to make a change, but the not the opportunity.

Everybody has the opportunity, thats the point of a democracy. Stand for parish council, town council, member of parliament if you want!

Things don't change by people sitting back on their **** and waiting for someone to magically appear and represent them.

Get out there and make a difference.

 

[Wintrup]

I suggest the world is not the way that you think it is. But go out and test your theory. My prediction will be that you'll end up on your ****. Like I said conditions are not right presently, but it won't be long before they are if Peak Oil theorists are to be believed (I believe them). Once the economy dives and puts a serious squeeze on people, they will be amenable to some harsh truths and motivated to act. Right now, they're not.

 

[Solitude]

Everybody has the opportunity, thats the point of a democracy. Stand for parish council, town council, member of parliament if you want!

Things don't change by people sitting back on their **** and waiting for someone to magically appear and represent them.

Get out there and make a difference.

Im voting with my feet!! and pretty soon they will cotton on. I dont want to get involved in politics directly its just not my bag.

 

[Solitude]

You definitely need to have some kind of income! Because you can grow your own food but you need clothes, electricity, internet ( if you want that internet shop), and there are probably many more things of which I can't think of at this moment.

But how do you want to manage this? really building some kind of community? Or just with your wife? Both things have there advantages and disadvantages! with a community you could divide the tasks, one for hunting, one for farming etc. But then again if you are just with two, you need less food, ground etc etc
How do you see this?

I am heading off with my partner (not wife yet!! although she keeps hinting!!) as i dont have to rely on if buts or maybes and i know for sure in my mind whats happening. I would love it if a group were to form and club in to purchase 40 or 50 acres and help each other out living the way each wants to live. Im sure some would want a fly sheet, some would want straw houses, some log cabins, some houses with elec and internet etc... Theres one thing they will all want when winter comes and thats heat!!I cant wait around for a group to form, im committed to April 2008, however when im out there i will be more than happy to be a contact if anyone is serious about it forming a Bushcraft Sect!!! baggsy me the supremo leader!! .