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So dogs should never be off the lead then? Cause if its of the lead you cannot know where it is all the time and what its doing.
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So dogs should never be off the lead then? Cause if its of the lead you cannot know where it is all the time and what its doing.
If that's what it takes - but generally you'd argue if you can see it you know where it is and what it's doing. Why should cats be any different. Lets look at it the other way. How'd you feel if all dog owners just let their dogs out to roam the neighbourhood?
Lets look at it the other way. How'd you feel if all dog owners just let their dogs out to roam the neighbourhood?
I view cats and dogs differently, Yeah they cr@p everywhere and yeah it is an issue. I wouldn't like it to be honest, But the cr@pping would be the least of my worries if they did let their dogs roam the neighbourhood.
Hi all, Im a dog owner.
My opinion is that you should always know where your dog is. I never have mine on its lead, but if it gets out of sight I call it back, if it gets crowdy, I put it on its lead. Last thing I want is for it to run into someone and they get scared. As a responsible pet owner, i keep an eye on it all the time. I do not let it ruin my neighbours day, but letting it crap on his garden, bark all night long etc.. When I take it for a walk I make sure its under my control.
I never understand why cat owners brings dogs into this argument. Dogs do not crap in your garden!! we are talking about cats crapping in our gardens here, not the other problem of dogs crapping in parks and roads, dont get it confused. The latter problem is being delt with and there are laws for it. This is typical of the cat owners who do not take this problem seriously and are themselves irresponsible. Rather than realising its an issue and thinking "jeez maybe my cat craps next door" they just think "well if the dogs can do it so can cats".. once again, dogs do not crap in next doors garden, cats do as they can climb the fence. Not only that, if you allow your cat to do this, you should expect it to be harmed as not all neighbours will stand for it and one of them will get a air rifle out, or play other tricks to it. Im not saying its right, Im saying this happens occasionally.
To deter cats from your garden try hanging up some old CD's or DVD's, they hate the reflections. Food dye in water super soaker sounds brilliant. After a while the owners will keep the cat at home.
My opinion is that you should always know where your dog is. I never have mine on its lead, but if it gets out of sight I call it back, if it gets crowdy, I put it on its lead. Last thing I want is for it to run into someone and they get scared. As a responsible pet owner, i keep an eye on it all the time. I do not let it ruin my neighbours day, but letting it crap on his garden, bark all night long etc.. When I take it for a walk I make sure its under my control.
I never understand why cat owners brings dogs into this argument. Dogs do not crap in your garden!! we are talking about cats crapping in our gardens here, not the other problem of dogs crapping in parks and roads, dont get it confused. The latter problem is being delt with and there are laws for it. This is typical of the cat owners who do not take this problem seriously and are themselves irresponsible. Rather than realising its an issue and thinking "jeez maybe my cat craps next door" they just think "well if the dogs can do it so can cats".. once again, dogs do not crap in next doors garden, cats do as they can climb the fence. Not only that, if you allow your cat to do this, you should expect it to be harmed as not all neighbours will stand for it and one of them will get a air rifle out, or play other tricks to it. Im not saying its right, Im saying this happens occasionally.
To deter cats from your garden try hanging up some old CD's or DVD's, they hate the reflections. Food dye in water super soaker sounds brilliant. After a while the owners will keep the cat at home.
Cats on harnesses? Google it. There are people on this thread who are responsible enough not to let their cats roam freely so have no need of such measures. Cat faeces carries disease. This is a fact.
Do you think its okay for badly controlled pets to infect children with disease?
Red
Do you think its okay for badly controlled pets to infect children with disease?
Red
I'm sure you can get harnesses for cats, I won't apologise if my cat cr@ps in someone's garden I don't encourage it to do that, but that's what cats do, be it right or wrong, The same can be said for dogs, do their faeces not carry Diseases too?
So the only reason that cats should be on a harness is so they don't cr@p in peoples gardens and catch birds etc. ? Or am i missing something ?
I don't believe that cats are badly controlled, I think dogs are.
There are laws against dogs fouling. Dogs foul other peoples gardens (where children play with a reasonable expectation of safety) hardly ever. Cats do it all the time.
"That's what cats do, be it right or wrong"
I really can't believe that as an argument. Cats spread disease into other peoples children. Just put up with it.
Thats the moral equivalent of "dogs bite children - get over it"
You'll never stop cats messing in peoples gardens I'm sure if they could they would, But to think that i implied that people should " just put up with it " you're wrong , Dogs don't just bite children that is a fact, yeah so do cat's .
Aaah I'm out of this - Cats don't have to be allowed to roam, owners choose to let them roam. People get sick, brain damaged and blinded (let alone disgusted) by this inconsiderate insanitary and unneccesary self indulgence. These are facts.
They put their indulgences above other peoples health. Charming.
Red
They put their indulgences above other peoples health. Charming.
Red
Cats are not domesticated, this is your problem, right there.
Sure, they're partially domesticated, but that's only if they're handled by humans during a really quite short period of their time as a kitten. This is why farm cats are feral and generally will not tolerate humans to get near them let alone touch them, the same for other feral populations.
As such they're pretty much a wild animal, with a lot of the same behaviours as their ancestors, if they are kept housebound then they cannot exhibit these natural behaviours. I've seen it with 'friends' cats that are not allowed out. "Oh, he goes crazy and pounces us as we walk past." "You should see him racing around the house climbing the walls, I have no idea why." This is because it can't roam, can't hunt, can't do anything it normally would, so it reverts to , in some cases quite destructive, stereotypic behaviour. This barely falls short of animal cruelty in my eyes. Cats are predators, to them hunting is as instinctive as breathing or breeding.
Sadly, this also means they'll crap in your garden, this fate was sealed probably when the first person found some kittens and thought something along the lines of "the wild buggers eat the mice that raid our grain, if we keep these they'll do the job so much better". Leading to the near domestication we see today.
It's not dissimilar to hating beaver for flooding large areas as it builds its home. Get the supersoaker, fill it with dye, and take satisfaction that they'll merely find someone else's garden to crap in, while possibly scaring the crap out of their owner, who may keep it inside after a while, and thus destroy the cats quality of life.
Sure, they're partially domesticated, but that's only if they're handled by humans during a really quite short period of their time as a kitten. This is why farm cats are feral and generally will not tolerate humans to get near them let alone touch them, the same for other feral populations.
As such they're pretty much a wild animal, with a lot of the same behaviours as their ancestors, if they are kept housebound then they cannot exhibit these natural behaviours. I've seen it with 'friends' cats that are not allowed out. "Oh, he goes crazy and pounces us as we walk past." "You should see him racing around the house climbing the walls, I have no idea why." This is because it can't roam, can't hunt, can't do anything it normally would, so it reverts to , in some cases quite destructive, stereotypic behaviour. This barely falls short of animal cruelty in my eyes. Cats are predators, to them hunting is as instinctive as breathing or breeding.
Sadly, this also means they'll crap in your garden, this fate was sealed probably when the first person found some kittens and thought something along the lines of "the wild buggers eat the mice that raid our grain, if we keep these they'll do the job so much better". Leading to the near domestication we see today.
It's not dissimilar to hating beaver for flooding large areas as it builds its home. Get the supersoaker, fill it with dye, and take satisfaction that they'll merely find someone else's garden to crap in, while possibly scaring the crap out of their owner, who may keep it inside after a while, and thus destroy the cats quality of life.
What he said. This is the message I seem to be getting.
I want a cat
I want to let it roam free
I know it will crap elsewhere in other peoples gardens
I know children play in these gardens
I know cat poo carries diseases
I know I'm putting children at risk
I know my neighbours have to clear up after my animal.
I care, but I want a cat and this is more important.
What my cat does isn't my responsibility
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Failing that I have heard squirting them with human urine stops then as well since it’s a stronger scent that there own. But could mean you end up with a garden smelling of you wee.
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Failing that I have heard squirting them with human urine stops then as well since it’s a stronger scent that there own. But could mean you end up with a garden smelling of you wee.
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I know what you mean, the amount of dog poop on beaches and in playparks these days is shocking.
Here we go again, animal rights insanity
okenest:as if the so called rights of little kitty trump everything else, like we have to tolerate their repulsive insanitary habits-on our property-in case we get stereotyped and marked down as cat hating anti-social misfits for objecting to their unwelcome uninvited presence!
If your a cat lover/owner, then please, by all means, welcome the local cat population onto YOUR garden and encourage them to convert it into their toilet...
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I agree, dog and cat poo is insanitary and should be picked up by the owner and disposed of properly. Yes?
Here we go again, animal rights insanity
as if the so called rights of little kitty trump everything else, like we have to tolerate their repulsive insanitary habits-on our property-in case we get stereotyped and marked down as cat hating anti-social misfits for objecting to their unwelcome uninvited presence!
If your a cat lover/owner, then please, by all means, welcome the local cat population onto YOUR garden and encourage them to convert it into their toilet...
Can't stand the bloody things, they're a pest.
However, we're stuck with them, so either go back in time and stop them from raiding our grain stores for mice, or eradicate every single last one of them here and now. Until then, stop trying to troll me.
In summary - I think this thread should be closed.
There is no permanent solution to keeping cats off your property other than getting a cat or dog yourself.
We're never going to persuade cat owners to be responsible for their animals when they're roaming free.
Dog owners can be just as bad.
All meat eating animal poo is bad, but herbivore poo is good for your garden.
Next cat I get in my garden I'm going to catch, and tie a full poo bag (cat scat - owner unknown) to it's collar, then send it on its merry way.
There is no permanent solution to keeping cats off your property other than getting a cat or dog yourself.
We're never going to persuade cat owners to be responsible for their animals when they're roaming free.
Dog owners can be just as bad.
All meat eating animal poo is bad, but herbivore poo is good for your garden.
Next cat I get in my garden I'm going to catch, and tie a full poo bag (cat scat - owner unknown) to it's collar, then send it on its merry way.
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