Trango Pirhana - Diddy Knife

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Mikey P

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Struck me the other day that others might find a use for these little blades in survival kits. Got this for climbing a while back - it lives on my 'bail-out biner'.

A 'bail-out biner' is designed for chicken-s*** climbers like me who can have alpine epics on V Diff when the mood takes me. Or Alpine D+. Or Scottish winter III/IV. Whatever the grade, I can still have a mare. Basically, when everything goes pear-shaped, the bail-out biner becomes the climber's technical survival kit. On mine is usually a bit of abseil tat, a prussic loop, a Wild Country Ropeman Mk II or a Ti-Bloc, and now a Trango Piranha.

http://www.trango.com/paraphernalia/Piranha_Climbing_Knife

There are a few knives available specifically for climbing, like the Petzl Spatha, but the Trango one is diddy! Which is a real bonus when you don't want to be carrying more than you need to.

The idea with the stainless steel, serrated edge, Trango is that you clip a carabiner through the metal loop and this prevents the knife from opening when it's on your harness. This could be pretty serious if it did happen. Unfortunately, you have to be careful as some of the newer lightweight carabiners have a machined profile that allows you to force the blade open, even when the carabiner is in the metal loop. So, you have to check first and use the correct carabiner. There is a small stud to push the blade open with and it locks open (calm down, all you legal eagles at the back), held there by spring pressure from the knife handle body. To close, you push the knife handle body slightly and fold the blade back in.

The serrated blade is v sharp and perfect for those 'Touching The Void' moments. Or for cutting tat. Or whatever. It's only small and is not that comfortable to hold but that isn't the point - it's for occasional/emergency use, hence it's on my bail-out biner.

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Yup, it locks open but, frankly, as it lives on my climbing harness, it's pretty obvious what it's for. Indeed, any copper who has kittens over the Piranha will pass out when he sees the ice-axes, ice screws and warthogs (http://www.needlesports.com/acatalog/Mail_Order_Ice_Screws_35.html and scroll down to big red spike). If you want to put one in your survival kit, you need to assess the risk and whether or not you feel you can explain it away to the police if you have to.

Nevertheless, I reckon this would be a great little blade for a survival kit - but certainly not as single-use outdoor knife. You can get them from Needlesports (see link above) amongst other places.

Oh, and it has a handy 'bottle-opener' bit too. Can I ask if anyone ever actually uses the bottle opener bits that come on Swiss Army Knives, Leathermans, etc? I am guessing that they are always added as a 'valuable extra feature' as they're easy to make - just cut a metal lip.

Now, where's that Joe Simpson fellah got to ...
 
while I'm not going to argue with it's value as a climbing knife (I've never tried anything past V-diff, and only ever top roping)
I will say that generally, for outdoor purposes, plain edge blades are prefered, including in survival kits. Since the knife in question is serrated, that could prove an issue. I know that the knife in my PSK is plain edge.
 
yep. indeed. Serrated knife for getting thorugh tensioned rope quick lol



i have had 1 touching cloth moment but that wasnt in a cave that needed SRT'ing. i got stuck in a crawl and couldnt go forwards or backwards.......

A rather large (6 foot 4 and about 20 stone) friend of mine went caving with his school.

When they got out of the cave, the instructor asked him how big he was. My friend asked why he wanted to know...the reply was that he was often asked what was the biggest person he could take & now he knew:rolleyes:

Simon
 
while I'm not going to argue with it's value as a climbing knife (I've never tried anything past V-diff, and only ever top roping)
I will say that generally, for outdoor purposes, plain edge blades are prefered, including in survival kits. Since the knife in question is serrated, that could prove an issue. I know that the knife in my PSK is plain edge.

Well, frankly, if you want a v small knife in a survival kit, I don't think it's going to make a massive amount of difference whether it's serrated or not. You are limited as to what you can do with it more because of its size and handle shape than its profile. In its favour, it's small, sharp, won't rust and lies flat. I agree that a serrated blade on an outdoor bushcraft-style knife is not as popular or useful and all of my main blades are plain scandi.
 
i have had 1 touching cloth moment but that wasnt in a cave that needed SRT'ing. i got stuck in a crawl and couldnt go forwards or backwards.......

I did a bit of caving in Sheffield in my first-time-round uni days - had the odd 'moment' where a bit more flexibility would have been handy. Interesting looking at kit now - when I was doing it 20 years ago, it was carbide lamps and furry suits - much more technical clothing and LED lamps these days. SRT still seems pretty much the same, though.
 
Thats a handy little knife mate, I might get one of these for my work harness.
 
I did a bit of caving in Sheffield in my first-time-round uni days - had the odd 'moment' where a bit more flexibility would have been handy. Interesting looking at kit now - when I was doing it 20 years ago, it was carbide lamps and furry suits - much more technical clothing and LED lamps these days. SRT still seems pretty much the same, though.

mate i still wear a furry, cant beat it for wet cold caves. im more into mines and stuff like that now due to a leg problem im not as flexible as i once was, also i have had my fill of belly flat crawls where you cant breathe properly. i never enjoyed those bits lol:D

having said that i have been in a couple of mines with roof collapses that have had crawly bits
 
Well, frankly, if you want a v small knife in a survival kit, I don't think it's going to make a massive amount of difference whether it's serrated or not. You are limited as to what you can do with it more because of its size and handle shape than its profile. In its favour, it's small, sharp, won't rust and lies flat. I agree that a serrated blade on an outdoor bushcraft-style knife is not as popular or useful and all of my main blades are plain scandi.

I'm not a serrated blade fan but I know they can be useful at times. Totally agree with you.
 
I think I have an Alpine v-diff on my land rover.
Knife would be good for rope tho'. I really dont think I could cut a rope I was suspended by.

i carry mine more to cut damaged sections out of rope to repair them, if i cant tie them off that is (unlikely) or if your hung up on it and need to free your leg or something, or heaven forebid you get it round your neck lol........

the other thing is it owuld cut a rope i was suspended from, if i was attached to something else, as the last thing you want to get is suspension trauma
 
mate i still wear a furry, cant beat it for wet cold caves. im more into mines and stuff like that now due to a leg problem im not as flexible as i once was, also i have had my fill of belly flat crawls where you cant breathe properly. i never enjoyed those bits lol:D

having said that i have been in a couple of mines with roof collapses that have had crawly bits

The area round Castleton in Derbyshire was fantastic for old lead mines (Odin, etc) and the lake district also. Even did some exploration in the old copper mines at Alderly Edge in Cheshire. Found old mines really interesting because of the historical aspects. Mind you, they are significantly more hazardous than natural caves and I don't plan to take it up again as a hobby!

Back to the subject of the post, I guess the Piranha is designed for climbers so the serrated age is good for cutting ropes, cloth and webbing. I like the idea about the serrations giving more blade length in a compact blade; however, as pointed out, it will have limitations due to size and grind but, in an emergency situation, I still think it's a compromise that's worth it.
 
If you do any serious (or even not-so-serious) alpine climbing you find yourself always carrying a crab with a knife, climbing cord or tape and, often, an Abalakov hook. Not for getting out of epics, just for replacing abseil tat (cord or tape) when rapelling a route or for making Abalakov v-threads for belaying and rapelling on ice. Lots of pure ice routes in the Canadian Rockies, for example, can't be descended any other way (other than leaving an expensive ice screw at each rap point).

I have a very old (1993) Spyderco Delica which lives on my harness for this purpose. All it does is cut cord / tape, and cheese and salami at lunchtime :) And yes, because it's primary purpose is cutting cord, it's serrated.

HTH

Rat
 

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