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I was chastised by the "gritstone Mafia" in a past post for suggesting drilling x2 3/8" holes for rawlbolts to hang a hammock.
Here's a way round it, drill 3" holes all the way through :naughty:
then you don't need the bolts !
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:pokenest: :D cheers all Danny
 
goodjob
I find using epoxy resin to glue washers or wire cable into the cracks does the trick for me ;)

"expanding foam" works well too!;)
 
Those 'stone age' people must have had time on their hands (or difficulty lighting fire with a bow drill)
 
I climbed for a while and never saw the problem with routes being bolted, if people don't like using them then, err.... don't use the bolts and carry £300 of Wild Country Friends and Nuts on your rack instead.

The whole "Should use traditional protection" thing is a right old load of toss as far as I'm concerned, bolted routes are safer and you don't need a grands worth of gear to climb them.
Making the sport far more accessible.

Obviously, I do know this is basically a joke thread but my comments still stand.
 
I climbed for a while and never saw the problem with routes being bolted, if people don't like using them then, err.... don't use the bolts and carry £300 of Wild Country Friends and Nuts on your rack instead.

The whole "Should use traditional protection" thing is a right old load of toss as far as I'm concerned, bolted routes are safer and you don't need a grands worth of gear to climb them.
Making the sport far more accessible.

Obviously, I do know this is basically a joke thread but my comments still stand.

climbing's never going to be a safe sport though due to its very nature. the main argument for trad climbing is that its not damaging to the environment unlike drilling and bolting the routes.
 
Instead of using bolts, simply use helium weather balloons, they'll keep you in place without the need for holes or extra gear.

The only problem I've found with supporting a hammock with the balloons is that if there's a strong wind, you way wake up in another county if you forgot to tie an anchor line.

The other benefit of carrying the helium and weather balloons, is that if you come across any glum walkers, a quick burst of helium improves their mood.
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climbing's never going to be a safe sport though due to its very nature. the main argument for trad climbing is that its not damaging to the environment unlike drilling and bolting the routes.


But just how damaging is it to the environment?
A few stainless bolts up a route compared to everyone who might want to climb the route needing a rack of gear? :)

Plus bolted routes are far more accessible to more people, giving more people the chance of climbing without a huge investment in kit.
 
I was agreeing with you - no bolted routes up = everyone takes kit :):pokenest:

Ahh, to be fair though I think that the main problem up there is general waste, oxygen bottles, bog roll and food wrappers rather than climbing gear but I could be wrong.

I must confess that most of me liking bolted routes comes from the fact that when I was doing a fair bit of climbing it used to annoy me that there were certain routes that I just plain couldn't afford the kit to climb when I knew others with more cash (and therefore kit) who I could climb rings around could attempt utilising a stack of "Friends".

You can't really see bolts from far away anyway so personally I think the "damaging to the environment argument" doesn't hold much water.
 
bolted routes cause less damage than badly placed trad protection that pulls out and takes slices of rock with it, or relies on belays off of trees or the like

but then, neither causes as much damage as litter especially like that seen on Everest :(
 
I climbed for a while and never saw the problem with routes being bolted, if people don't like using them then, err.... don't use the bolts and carry £300 of Wild Country Friends and Nuts on your rack instead.

The whole "Should use traditional protection" thing is a right old load of toss as far as I'm concerned, bolted routes are safer and you don't need a grands worth of gear to climb them.
Making the sport far more accessible.

Obviously, I do know this is basically a joke thread but my comments still stand.

yeah indeed, im also a caver (SRT) and all our routes are bolted - doesnt make it any safer lol as equipment can still fail, i have seen some appaling rope that people were using!!! Your only as safe as the strongest point.....
 
In my day people climbed a crag and tried not to fall off just by using skill and technique.
These days "rock jocks" climb a crag and tend to rely on falling off as part of the way of learning how to get up the route - a bit like playing a computer game, losing lives until you learn how to get to the next level.
I only ever put up one new route in my climbing days, but as routes had no pattern of bolts to follow the skills of route-finding and protection selection were as important as the physical skills of actually staying on the rock. I was one of the last of "The Clean Hand Gang", coming very late to chalk, just as I came late to wearing high friction boots (PA"s and "EB"s at that time).
The climbing I did normally ended with summiting a mountain or at least the crag while much of the sport climbing these days seems to be all about the gymnastics of following a line of bolts part way up a crag and abing off or even purely using indoor walls.
As with much in this life climbing seems to have veered away from "man challenging nature" to "technology (plus gymnastics) challenging a man made problem (sometimes in an outdoor setting).
I have nothing against modern climbing - but it has little to do with the climbing I did in my youth and has little attract me.
I prefer the simplicity of the older style of things when I pitted my skill, wits, big boots and tweed britches against the mighty HVS climbs of the day :) when kit was simple and climbing accessible to all - no matter the depth of their pocket!
Joe Brown started climbing using a washing line for a rope and made the first nuts from plumbing fittings, used his socks over his boots to give extra friction and put up routes that still defeat manys a rock jock! :D
Teddy needs no Friends to go climbing - it looks like his biggest friend sorts out the pro for him!
 
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