You tube Bushcraft

[timboggle]

As has been said, You Tube is an innovation to Bushcraft !!

Lots of experts out there in the Cyber Wilderness now promoting their prowess and goods, "I can do this, do that, sell you this"......is it educational or is it a stage for the snake-oil sellers, whats yours thoughts guys?

Thanks for reading

 

[Shewie]

A lot of it just makes me cringe if I'm honest TB, there's some folk out there who keep knocking the vids out but they don't have half a personality and it's all just repeating what we know allready.
I won't name names but there's a handful of folk who insist on churning these "masterpieces" out week after week for us all to endure, just leave it to the pros I say and get back to your bedroom.
On the other hand though there are a few guys who just make really interesting vids without even trying, unfortunately most of those guys are from across the pond or scandinavia and have something genuinely interesting to share, those I could watch all day long.
In short, there's too many Ray Mears wanabees out there

 

[timboggle]

A lot of it just makes me cringe if I'm honest TB, there's some folk out there who keep knocking the vids out but they don't have half a personality.........get back to your bedroom.

In short, there's too many Ray Mears wanabees out there

Rich, you're a star mate, your way with words, I love it - my tea's allover the place now

:You_Rock_

 

[Shewie]

You've been thinking the same then ?

 

[timboggle]

To be honest mate, I've only just discovered the wonderfull world of You Tube and can't beleive the amount of attention seekers that are on it, I totally agree with you Rich, seems that the Scandys and Yanks do it better.

 

[Toddy]

I must admit I rarely go there, usually only when someone who's judgement I trust tells me that a specific one is worth watching.

Most of them are poorly done, take faaaaaar to long to get to the point, and have me reaching for the fast forward within moments.

I've seen a couple though that were well presented, but I think this present idea that everyone can teach or demononstate is much over rated.

Just my 2p worth.

cheers,
Toddy

 

[slammer187]

IMHO I can totally agree with you and I can admit to doing it myself a few times but the thing that I don't like to see is the guys who are just doing reenactments of what the see on the t.v (RM specifically),it's the guys who differ from the crowd that get the most attention like hobbexp,most of his skills are from the book "Bushcraft" by Mors Kochanski and most people haven't seen them before and also Ashley and Justin over at NaturalBushcraft are showing new stuff which has gotten them loads of attention.

But TBH it is not easy trying to add a bit of life and personality to your videos.Sometimes you can just be having a bad day or other time when you try and be happy and fun all the haters will come in telling you to stop being such an idiot so there is a fine line between attention seeking and educating

I personally only try to show thing that aren't already on youtube.For example I made a video on my other account on how to make a wood gas stove,there was no other videos on youtube about it and I knew that people wanted to know how to make them from what I had read and from the price of a Bushbuddy! So far I have gotten over 25,000 views on that video and youtube have invited me to start revenue sharing with them so the main thing is that I feel is that the new stuff is what's needed on youtube not repeats!

 

[fireman sam]

There are two types of people in the world - doers and critics.

Those who are so critical of the standard of videos on YouTube should maybe get off their bums and upload some instructional vids of their own, if they have anything unique to offer that is, instead of criticising those who’ve taken the time and effort to do so. Put up, or in this case up-load, or shut up; perhaps.

Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh, but I think YouTube is a wonderful way to share information and there are some excellent videos out there. For sure there are some that are not so good but there are some diamonds in the rough too.

And no one has to ‘endure’ anything, if you don’t like them don’t watch them, or make better ones of your own.

 

[slammer187]

There are two types of people in the world - doers and critics.

Those who are so critical of the standard of videos on YouTube should maybe get off their bums and upload some instructional vids of their own, if they have anything unique to offer that is, instead of criticising those who’ve taken the time and effort to do so. Put up, or in this case up-load, or shut up; perhaps.

Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh, but I think YouTube is a wonderful way to share information and there are some excellent videos out there. For sure there are some that are not so good but there are some diamonds in the rough too.

And no one has to ‘endure’ anything, if you don’t like them don’t watch them, or make better ones of your own.

You've got a very good point!

 

[Wayland]

I must admit I rarely go there, usually only when someone who's judgement I trust tells me that a specific one is worth watching.

Most of them are poorly done, take faaaaaar to long to get to the point, and have me reaching for the fast forward within moments.

I've seen a couple though that were well presented, but I think this present idea that everyone can teach or demononstate is much over rated.

Just my 2p worth.

cheers,
Toddy

That's about my position too. universal access to broadcasting does not ensure universal competence for the process unfortunately.

There are two types of people in the world - doers and critics.

Those who are so critical of the standard of videos on YouTube should maybe get off their bums and upload some instructional vids of their own, if they have anything unique to offer that is, instead of criticising those who’ve taken the time and effort to do so. Put up, or in this case up-load, or shut up; perhaps.

Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh, but I think YouTube is a wonderful way to share information and there are some excellent videos out there. For sure there are some that are not so good but there are some diamonds in the rough too.

And no one has to ‘endure’ anything, if you don’t like them don’t watch them, or make better ones of your own.

You missed a type out, people who are aware of their limitations.

I can take a photo and write an article to a degree. I've performed in front of film camera many times but I've never wanted to use one.

I know I'm not a movie director, I think in still images, but I also know I can tell a story better and more succinctly with pictures and text.

 

[Toddy]

I suspect that both Slammer187 and Fireman Sam might just be a touch partisan............you both make money from You Tube, don't you ?

I repeat what I said, no, I'll be more direct. There's a heck of a lot of mince out there. An awful lot of it made by people who haven't got a clue of how to do it in the real world but are awfully aware of photoshop and the like.

But hey, that's the internet, isn't it ? Lots of people making themselves out to be 'expurts'
I don't claim to be, nor do many folks I know who actually get out there and do it. We know better

cheers,
Toddy

 

[Toddy]

No, there are three kinds. Those who do it. those who video it and those who can teach it.
Those who can do all three are the ones that we need more of. Unfortunately the advent of easily accessible technology and internet access is rather leaving a plethora of the video kind on show and too many of them really can't do it or teach it.

As I said, just my 2p worth

cheers,
Toddy

 

[Bushwhacker]

It's the nature of the beast though, Youtube is there for anyone to upload a video should they so wish. Maybe it's not the best place to go if you want a proper instructional video.
If you had some horrible disease would you seek out an expert opinion or log into "Yahoo Answers" to find the best way to be cured?

 

[timboggle]

There are two types of people in the world - doers and critics.

Those who are so critical of the standard of videos on YouTube should maybe get off their bums and upload some instructional vids of their own, if they have anything unique to offer that is, instead of criticising those who’ve taken the time and effort to do so. Put up, or in this case up-load, or shut up; perhaps.

Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh, but I think YouTube is a wonderful way to share information and there are some excellent videos out there. For sure there are some that are not so good but there are some diamonds in the rough too.

And no one has to ‘endure’ anything, if you don’t like them don’t watch them, or make better ones of your own.

hmmm, doers and critics !!

Aye mate, I come across quite a few 'critics' during my years of 'doing' actual real training courses when I was teaching the skills to real customers, I listened to every comment made took it on board, whether good or bad.

However, I've never felt the need to learn how to video myself, set up a YT account and upload films of myself showing the world what it's missing, allways preferred the 'contact' side to my 'doing', it's very satisfying teaching students in the setting and watching 'them' acheive what your teaching, to me thats what it's about.

I found the challenge of setting up a school teaching the skills to real people and taking them into jungles, arctic mountains and tundra, dessert, bush, etc and 'doing' the skills a lot more appealing, but then again, You Tube wasn't even around when I first did 'did' that, heck, I didn't even have a website for 4 years - I'll leave the YT vids to people with better camera and IT skills than me.

I agree with Toddy, just because people trip in as the next expert on YT doesn't mean to say they are expert instructors, teaching the skills to real students is very different to getting your mate to film you and upload it on the web.

 

[Shewie]

There are two types of people in the world - doers and critics.

And those that do it well, I make that three.

Those who are so critical of the standard of videos on YouTube should maybe get off their bums and upload some instructional vids of their own, if they have anything unique to offer that is, instead of criticising those who’ve taken the time and effort to do so. Put up, or in this case up-load, or shut up; perhaps.

Each to their own Sam, but if the vids are so awful then why bother putting them up in the first place. Just leave it to those who can do it well.

Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh, but I think YouTube is a wonderful way to share information and there are some excellent videos out there. For sure there are some that are not so good but there are some diamonds in the rough too.

Err, that was the point I was trying to make. If only folk would take some hints from those who do it well like hobbexp or skogniv instead of five second pauses after ever sentence and trying to string a two minute demo out for ten.

And no one has to ‘endure’ anything, if you don’t like them don’t watch them, or make better ones of your own.

I search YT quite often for decent vids to watch, it's the carp ones I have to endure before I kill them and search for something else. Less of the carp and more of the good is all I'm saying.

 

[fireman sam]

hmmm, doers and critics !!

Aye mate, I come across quite a few 'critics' during my years of 'doing' actual real training courses when I was teaching the skills to real customers, I listened to every comment made took it on board, whether good or bad.

However, I've never felt the need to learn how to video myself, set up a YT account and upload films of myself showing the world what it's missing, allways preferred the 'contact' side to my 'doing', it's very satisfying teaching students in the setting and watching 'them' acheive what your teaching, to me thats what it's about.

I found the challenge of setting up a school teaching the skills to real people and taking them into jungles, arctic mountains and tundra, dessert, bush, etc and 'doing' the skills a lot more appealing, but then again, You Tube wasn't even around when I first did 'did' that, heck, I didn't even have a website for 4 years - I'll leave the YT vids to people with better camera and IT skills than me.

I agree with Toddy, just because people trip in as the next expert on YT doesn't mean to say they are expert instructors, teaching the skills to real students is very different to getting your mate to film you and upload it on the web.

I’m afraid I don’t quite follow your point. Some people out there have done all you’ve done ‘contact’ wise in your illustrious career, in addition to taking the time to make some videos. I just think there are some excellent vids out there and much can be learnt from them. And I, for one, appreciate people taking the time to upload them.

No one is suggesting they’re a substitute for good instruction any more than swapping info on a forum is, which strangely you’ve got no problem with. In fact, I don’t really see the distinction, as both YouTube and this site are electronic ways of sharing information. And there are good posts and not so good posts on here. But hey, that’s life. It doesn’t mean this forum has no value. In fact, there really is something of an irony about using an online forum created to swap info, in order to criticize people who do exactly the same on an online video sharing site. And if anything, the advantage of a video over the written word is that it’s far easier to verify whether something, or indeed someone, is the real McCoy.

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but does your defensiveness and reason for this post, have anything to do with you being challenged on another post to show your prowess on YouTube, per chance?

 

[timboggle]

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but does your defensiveness and reason for this post, have anything to do with you being challenged on another post to show your prowess on YouTube, per chance?

Darn, I've been sussed, it's really because I've only got a face for radio mate.

 

[robin wood]

It is very variable there are some great ones showing superb skills for instance or just to see real people in real time in other countries, say Sweden in February, I find interesting.

Having said that it has got to be so easy to upload the things that so many people do upload stuff that adds nothing. What is wrong with that? Well it means that say I wanted to find a nice vid on spoon carving, cordage making, bow drill firelighting or whatever I have to scan through piles of dodgy amateur stuff showing people who have practiced the skills just a dozen times before filming it until I get to someone who has truly put the hours in to master the skill and show it well.

Not being judgmental it is just the way it is, same with TV 50 channels isn't necessarily that great, I prefer quality not quantity.

 

[Siberianfury]

Personaly i make my videos for fun, im not trying to be the next RM or anything.

one reason i suppose is i like holding onto experiences i have enjoyed and show others.

i admit, alot of the youtube bushcraft videos are very Dull, they may show some great skills but the presentation style is Dull.

I make my videos how i would want a bushcraft video to be, Fast paced with different camera angles, soundtracks ect.

I use all the knowlege i have avalible to fit into however long my cheap camera batteries will last, also bearing in mind i film on my own except for 2 videos its quite hard getting a decent shot, requires alot of stationing the camera in trees or on platforms to get the required shot.

Im odviously not as experienced or knowlegable as alot of the fellas such as SkogKniv and Hobbxp, but i try to get what infomation i have to offer in an entertaining manner if you understand.

I try to make my videos about new things that hevent been shown before on youtube, for example im currently planning a Woodlore Clone VS Clipper Test.


I hate it when people comment saying things like "Huh, shooting apples, What does that have to do with Bushcraft", Or Claiming that im not fireing my rifle corrently even if i hit my target exactly where i want it, This knid of nit picking Realy winds me up.

If they dont like it, thats fine, but unconstructive criticisum is insulting and not helpful in the slightest.

 

[Shewie]

Can I throw in one example of a poor vid in my eyes ?

Gets me everytime this one ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=5uWe_50zEF8&feature=related